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  1. #21
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    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    Quote Originally Posted by pier_andreit View Post
    ok, plasma5 starts but now windows has no frames and titlebar and buttons and I cannot move them.
    reading that there was a bug in nouveau I also installed nvidia driver but nothing change.
    and if I click on system settings>desktop effects it crashes
    any suggestion??
    you probobly have a few packages from the oss repo (happened to me whan I was on 13.2) post your repo list
    Code:
    zypper lr -d
    you need to do a distribution update zypper dup with the 3 repo's posted above (and packman as wolfi has a crippled version of ffmpeg in his repo)

  2. #22

    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    Quote Originally Posted by I_A View Post
    you probobly have a few packages from the oss repo (happened to me whan I was on 13.2) post your repo list
    Code:
    zypper lr -d
    you need to do a distribution update zypper dup with the 3 repo's posted above (and packman as wolfi has a crippled version of ffmpeg in his repo)
    zypper dup is the switch system packages in yast>software management??

    here is
    Code:
    suseST-pla:/home/pla # zypper lr -d
    #  | Alias                               | Name                                                           | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | Priority | Type   | URI                                                                                                      | Service
    ---+-------------------------------------+----------------------------------------------------------------+---------+-----------+---------+----------+--------+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+--------
     1 | KDE:/Frameworks5/openSUSE_Leap_42.1 | KDE:/Frameworks5/openSUSE_Leap_42.1                            | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Frameworks5/openSUSE_Leap_42.1/                           |        
     2 | KDE:/Qt5/openSUSE_Leap_42.1         | KDE:/Qt5/openSUSE_Leap_42.1                                    | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Qt5/openSUSE_Leap_42.1/                                   |        
     3 | download.nvidia.com-leap            | nVidia Graphics Drivers                                        | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/leap/42.1                                                            |        
     4 | ftp.gwdg.de-suse                    | Packman Repository                                             | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/packman/suse/openSUSE_Leap_42.1/                                            |        
     5 | openSUSE-42.1-0                     | openSUSE-42.1-0                                                | No      | ----      | No      |   99     | yast2  | cd:///?devices=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-MATSHITA_DVD+_-RW_UJ892_HH24_397581                                   |        
     6 | opensuse-guide.org-repo             | Libdvdcss Repository                                           | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://opensuse-guide.org/repo/openSUSE_Leap_42.1/                                                       |        
     7 | repo-debug                          | openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Debug                                       | No      | ----      | Yes     |   99     | NONE   | http://download.opensuse.org/debug/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/                                      |        
     8 | repo-debug-non-oss                  | openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Debug-Non-Oss                               | No      | ----      | Yes     |   99     | NONE   | http://download.opensuse.org/debug/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/non-oss/                                  |        
     9 | repo-debug-update                   | openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Update-Debug                                | No      | ----      | Yes     |   99     | NONE   | http://download.opensuse.org/debug/update/leap/42.1/oss                                                  |        
    10 | repo-debug-update-non-oss           | openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Update-Debug-Non-Oss                        | No      | ----      | Yes     |   99     | NONE   | http://download.opensuse.org/debug/update/leap/42.1/non-oss/                                             |        
    11 | repo-non-oss                        | openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Non-Oss                                     | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | yast2  | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/non-oss/                                        |        
    12 | repo-oss                            | openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Oss                                         | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | yast2  | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/                                            |        
    13 | repo-source                         | openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Source                                      | No      | ----      | Yes     |   99     | NONE   | http://download.opensuse.org/source/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/                                     |        
    14 | repo-update                         | openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Update                                      | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/42.1/oss/                                                       |        
    15 | repo-update-non-oss                 | openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Update-Non-Oss                              | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/42.1/non-oss/                                                   |        
    16 | wolfi_repo_for_leap_42.1_with_KDE4  | wolfi repo for leap 42.1 with KDE4 (to have KDE4 in leap 42.1) | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   90     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/wolfi323:/branches:/KDE:/Frameworks5/openSUSE_Leap_42.1/ |        
    suseST-pla:/home/pla #

  3. #23
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    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    zypper dup makes sure the packages you are using come from a certain repo, to make the above work you need to do
    Code:
    zypper dup --from 1 --from 2 --from 16 --from 4
    ps
    I thought you wore on 13.2

  4. #24

    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    Quote Originally Posted by I_A View Post
    zypper dup makes sure the packages you are using come from a certain repo, to make the above work you need to do
    Code:
    zypper dup --from 1 --from 2 --from 16 --from 4
    ps
    I thought you wore on 13.2
    ...maaaanythanks, it works very better now.

    during zypper dup --from 16

    Code:
    2 Problems:
    Problem: dolphin-15.08.3-4.2.x86_64 requires dolphin-part = 15.08.3-4.2, but this requirement cannot be provided
    Problem: kfilemetadata5-lang-5.17.0-104.1.noarch requires kfilemetadata5 = 5.17.0, but this requirement cannot be provided
    
    Problem: dolphin-15.08.3-4.2.x86_64 requires dolphin-part = 15.08.3-4.2, but this requirement cannot be provided
      uninstallable providers: dolphin-part-15.08.3-4.2.x86_64[repo-update]
     Solution 1: keep kfilemetadata5-5.17.0-81.2.x86_64
     Solution 2: do not install dolphin-15.08.3-4.2.x86_64
     Solution 3: break dolphin-15.08.3-4.2.x86_64 by ignoring some of its dependencies
    I selected 1

    and then

    Code:
     Problem: kfilemetadata5-lang-5.17.0-104.1.noarch requires kfilemetadata5 = 5.17.0, but this requirement cannot be provided
      uninstallable providers: kfilemetadata5-5.17.0-104.1.x86_64[wolfi_repo_for_leap_42.1_with_KDE4]
     Solution 1: deinstallation of kfilemetadata5-lang-5.17.0-81.2.noarch
     Solution 2: keep obsolete kfilemetadata5-5.17.0-81.2.x86_64
     Solution 3: break kfilemetadata5-lang-5.17.0-104.1.noarch by ignoring some of its dependencies
    I selected 2

    I don't know if it is related but in plasma5 dolphin works well but in KDE4 dolphin doesn't start and launched from konsole it gives this error
    Code:
     pla@suseST-pla:~> dolphin
    dolphin: error while loading shared libraries: libKF5BalooWidgets.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
    pla@suseST-pla:~>
    ...do you think that is better to open a new thread for this ???

  5. #25

    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    no, I'm on leap42.1 , upgrading on my emergency partition and having the possibility to use KDE4 it allows me to make many things with leap42.1 and test it, in case something don't works I can logout and login with kde4 easily, in case of emergency I have the other partition with a working 13.2

  6. #26
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    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    I think this is one for wolfi to answer as I still haven't installed kde4 on LEAP I'm using plasma5.5 from
    http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Frameworks5/openSUSE_Leap_42.1/
    I'm not sure what repo wolfi used for his packages, he might answer here but a new thread is a better choice.

    ps if you're playing around you might like to try lxqt it's a minimalistic qt5 desktop but get the one from it's own repo
    http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/LXQt/openSUSE_42.1/
    as that one has version 0.10 the main oss repo holds 0.9 and quite a few new features wore added in 0.10

  7. #27

    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    Some 4 weeks ago I was in a similar position. I chose to 'upgrade' to leap 42. And I regret it.

    IMHO leap 4.2 is still 'experimental' . Quite a few things do not work, and I have not found a solution for it. Examples are a non-working touchpad, problems with the 3d accelerating of the graphics card, sessions are not properly restored, and several other things.

    Although I can fully accept that these things will be fixed over time, the actual situation for me is that I have lost valuable functionality, and it is not clear to me if this will come back. The current plasma5 desktop as offered means for me a setback in productivity.

    The most pronounced setback has been mentioned already. No different wallpapers for different desktops. Gone is the quick identification of a particular desktop. I find myself constantly switching.
    The most worrying part of this is perhaps that there is a fierce discussion ongoing on this topic. The KDE designers first created 'activities' (which took me some time to understand, but I started to appreciate them) in addition to different desktops. In fact a very strong concept. But they spoiled it completely, and I find it worrying that functionailty reductions like these, affecting how people work, are even considered. This case has been reopened, but I don't know how seriously this is to be taken. I hope for the best!

    Having said all of this, to the credit of the plasma5 desktop I can see that it can become a very nice desktop, once these things have been fixed.

    Regards,
    Bw

  8. #28

    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    Quote Originally Posted by bwvb View Post
    Some 4 weeks ago I was in a similar position. I chose to 'upgrade' to leap 42. And I regret it. ...
    ...
    Having said all of this, to the credit of the plasma5 desktop I can see that it can become a very nice desktop, once these things have been fixed.

    Regards,
    Bw
    manythanks bwvb :-), for now I'm living with leap42.1 with plasma and kde4 for emergency and also a 13.2 for ultra emergency.
    KDE 4.14.10 basically works but touchpad settings, and dolphin is not so easy to have working, but applications windows remember in wich desktop they are, not for the activity.
    and plasma 5.5.3 in plasma touchpad works, dolphin also is not easy to have working and in it the search doesn't works, to search I have to use the old but well working find files/folder application, gone the support for plasmoid in python but I can easily use the qml version but is uglier, application windows don't remember desktop and activity and don't honor settings, and for me too this is very unproductive, and also another very unproductive is the paste widget in the system tray that is gone, substituted by share, but very very too basic and for now unuseful, the waste spacing in plasmoid folder view and the impossibility to place icons where you like is another unproductive thing.
    so, now I'm spending time to set in plasma5 all the lost settings and use plasma5 only for test and file bugs, if I have to work I use 13.2

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