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    Default Re: No Crimson yet? And please don't also delete this thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Knurpht View Post
    Furthermore I still don't see ( not even implicite ) any asking for help.
    Classic SoapBox thread (IMO), probably going nowhere, but could go there for those interested in sympathizing or disagreeing whatever (count me out on that score - Intel only here...).
    Leap 42.3 (ext4, KDE Plasma 5.8.7) ~ stable
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    Tumbleweed (ext4, KDE Plasma5) ~ managed updates via "Tumbleweed Snapshots" service.

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    Default Re: No Crimson yet? And please don't also delete this thread...

    On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 08:56:01 +0000, fakemoth wrote:

    > Please move this thread. If you think that the lack of a driver is not a
    > "technical" issue. Though I don't know why you should delete it again,
    > if not for just ignoring what a user keeps writing and pad yourselves on
    > the back for your good job. And how can you suggest that someone
    > "demands", "requests", "needs just for himself" a video driver, if not
    > just to provoke a user to answer to those enormities just to smack him
    > good one more time?


    The forum staff here does not build these packages - so complaining to
    the forum staff about the package not being built is complaining to the
    wrong people.

    > I think I saw one or two open source communities and I have a pretty
    > good understanding. That's why I keep reading this old non sense: "do it
    > yourself if you are complaining here"; maybe you - the openSUSE "you"
    > team that is - should ask yourself why are you letting this happen? It
    > should be someone near the core of the team, the guys managing the
    > kernel or the internals of the OS maybe, that should manage the
    > humongous number of video drivers (2). OK 1, if you count out the
    > nVidia, as mentioned.


    The openSUSE "team" is not a "you" - it's a "we". You had a need for
    this driver, and the person who maintains the packages hadn't had a
    chance to update his build scripts. Instead of complaining, you could
    contact that individual and ask how you can help. Instead, you posted a
    highly aggressive post on a user-to-user support forum demanding (yes,
    *demanding*) that someone get off their backsides and build it for you.

    That is /not/ how an open source community works. If you've seen one or
    two open source communities, you'd know that.

    > You lost me again here - this is just defensive, culpable, admins
    > posting, an ancient open source "tradition": help with what exactly and
    > in what way as you keep joggling with the concept?
    > -how should I "request for help" for something that doesn't exist
    > (figure of speech as right now I am seeing an update for fglrx... so you
    > need people to "rant" about it, to notice that there is a major driver
    > update for weeks after all, or? figure there are mailing lists for this
    > kind of info, but if no one is reading?)?


    You ask who maintains it, and then offer to assist them if the release
    speed isn't to your liking.

    > -do you want me to help and compile the driver, is that it? OK, stop
    > being so elusive and hit the important points: just make a "how to"
    > about how and what do you need, teach me and I will do it! But I doubt
    > that you would do that Also please do not point me to
    > https://software.opensuse.org and just tell me to knock myself out with
    > compiling the drivers. I am talking about an official openSUSE repo,
    > properly maintained. Jesus, you would have like two releases per year...
    >
    > This is not the proper attitude from a distro that puts the user
    > experience first, one that is willing to install the silly flash-player
    > for example, but not the video driver to run it, just sayin'. Because
    > that is why most of the people choose openSUSE; else they will go
    > Stallman-style-nuts, a pure world of freedom where nothing works on your
    > "free" Celeron with 512MB of RAM, and a 16MB Matrox. Or whatever.


    You know from apparent long experience that the openSUSE project values
    "open" software compared to proprietary software. Support for
    proprietary software is generally something that is picked up by someone
    with a specific interest in making it work. When something's not
    packaged quickly enough (or at all), it's a question of people with
    sufficient interest.

    So instead of being angry and shouting at the community, step in and
    offer to help. If you don't know how you can help, ask someone.

    But shouting at the community in anger is not the way to get things done
    - and shouting at non-developers is /really/ not the way to get things
    done.

    As it happens, I was going to mention this morning (as I myself had a
    need for the updated driver with my upgrades over the weekend to 42.1)
    that the driver is now available. That you found it indicates that you
    probably have some idea that this is not the place to ask about it, since
    I don't believe the update has found its way to iota.net (the repo where
    these drivers end up) - but I could be wrong.

    As a general rule, relax, take it easy, and ask rather than getting angry
    and yelling. In your original post, your tone was "don't answer me, just
    make it available already!" - so, OK, you posted, you didn't want an
    answer, so we deleted your post because that's not how this community
    works.

    For future reference, you will always get better answers if you are
    polite than if you come across as an angry, demanding user. That is the
    expectation here.

    This thread is now CLOSED.
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    Default Re: No Crimson yet? And please don't also delete this thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by hendersj View Post
    On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 08:56:01 +0000, fakemoth wrote:
    This thread is now CLOSED.
    And open again - apologies for not being clear that I was closing it to move it.

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    Default Re: No Crimson yet? And please don't also delete this thread...

    Since there are no questions here I believe this might be what the OP is looking for :
    https://lizards.opensuse.org/2015/12...-is-available/

    Hope this helps
    Best regards,
    Greg

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    Default Re: No Crimson yet? And please don't also delete this thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by glistwan View Post
    Since there are no questions here I believe this might be what the OP is looking for :
    https://lizards.opensuse.org/2015/12...-is-available/

    Hope this helps
    Hi
    So why didn't you post this link immediately after the driver was released???
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    Default Re: No Crimson yet? And please don't also delete this thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by malcolmlewis View Post
    Hi
    So why didn't you post this link immediately after the driver was released???
    Because I just saw this thread and bumped into the page I linked by accident
    Best regards,
    Greg

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    Default Re: No Crimson yet? And please don't also delete this thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by glistwan View Post
    Because I just saw this thread and bumped into the page I linked by accident
    Hi
    I'm just messing with you It is soapbox after all.....
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    Graphics drivers are a fairly specialised area, and the documentation from AMD is pretty bad. For the most part, if it doesn't work, you have to figure it out yourself, usually with the help of others who are also figuring it out.

    With the r9 2xx generation of cards, it took 6 months for a properly working (beta) driver to even be available from AMD, and probably another 6 months for it to make it into most distro's repositories.

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