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Thread: Apps forum NNTP posting fails [441 Posting Failed (Rejected by POSTfilter)]

  1. #21
    JtWdyP NNTP User

    Default Re: Apps forum NNTP posting fails [441 Posting Failed (Rejected byPOST filter)]


    It would appear that on Jul 14, Jim Henderson did say:

    > It might be interesting to try posting the message in this thread from
    > Alpine, and cut the message in halves to isolate where the problem is.


    OK, lets try that. My process will be to resume the postponed message, open
    the message body in the alternate editor (vim), and do a
    ======================
    Code:
    :w! ~/tmpfile
    ======================
    Then I'll postpone it again, and resume this message. where I'll do a:
    ======================
    Code:
    :r ~/tmpfile
    ======================
    The first attempt will try to include the entire message body. If that
    fails, I'll try splitting it up to see if we can isolate the problem.

    This is attempt 2 (last 32 lines of message body)
    ===== everything below this line is from the original message =====
    > Both Opera and Chromium (with the latest pepper-flash plugin) could view
    > other hulu video streams, including one from the showtime listings. But
    > when I tried to use the showtime live option. Both failed.
    >
    > I had half expected the Chromium with latest pepperflash to work, if
    > only because I despise that browser's user interface. And it did fail
    > differently than the other browsers. Though, like the other browsers,
    > the failure happened right after the "one time loading experience"
    > message. But Chromium never gave me the error message. It just gives me
    > a blacked out player window...
    >
    > On the other hand, this problem seems to only affect my opensuse installation.
    > Empirical testing revealed that using either my installed debian derivative
    > "antiX" Or Mageia (a Mandriver fork) I can watch the live content.
    >
    > This is not convenient. I have a few current projects I'm working on in
    > opensuse. Saving the changes, & rebooting just to watch the live showtime
    > content, is a real pain...
    >
    > But since it's only when I'm running opensuse, that it fails, I think I
    > should move the venue to the opensuse forum.


    I probably wouldn't care about this, since I plan to cancel hulu's showtime
    add on, when the free month is up. But for the rest of July, I can use it
    to test any potential fixes to whatever in opensuse is causing this.

    And frankly, having to reboot into another distro to watch this bugs me.

    Does anybody have a clue what's happening?

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  2. #22
    JtWdyP NNTP User

    Default Re: Apps forum NNTP posting fails [441 Posting Failed (Rejected byPOST filter)]


    It would appear that on Jul 14, Jim Henderson did say:

    > It might be interesting to try posting the message in this thread from
    > Alpine, and cut the message in halves to isolate where the problem is.


    OK, lets try that. My process will be to resume the postponed message, open
    the message body in the alternate editor (vim), and do a
    ======================
    Code:
    :w! ~/tmpfile
    ======================
    Then I'll postpone it again, and resume this message. where I'll do a:
    ======================
    Code:
    :r ~/tmpfile
    ======================
    The first attempt will try to include the entire message body. If that
    fails, I'll try splitting it up to see if we can isolate the problem.

    This is attempt 5 (lines 32 through 37 of message body)
    On a bet these 6 line might be the problem, the bullet characters originated
    from the hulu support message the quoted text was responding to...
    This time I'll replace the bullets with "*"
    ===== everything below this line is from the original message =====
    > * Lowering the video quality from hd to high didn't help.
    > * Clearing my browser cache didn't help.
    > * "Delete all sites" from my Flash cache via http://phtshp.us/2fZi didn't help.
    > * Turning off hardware acceleration in Flash via the right-click menu. didn't help.
    > * Power-cycling my router, modem, and computer, didn't help.
    > * Using other browsers didn't help:


  3. #23
    JtWdyP NNTP User

    Default Re: Apps forum NNTP posting fails [441 Posting Failed (Rejected byPOST filter)]


    It would appear that on Jul 14, JtWdyP did say:

    > It would appear that on Jul 14, Jim Henderson did say:
    >
    > > It might be interesting to try posting the message in this thread from
    > > Alpine, and cut the message in halves to isolate where the problem is.

    >
    > OK, lets try that.


    -snipped. . . . . . . . . .stuff

    > This is attempt 5 (lines 32 through 37 of message body)
    > On a bet these 6 line might be the problem, the bullet characters originated
    > from the hulu support message the quoted text was responding to...
    > This time I'll replace the bullets with "*"
    > ===== everything below this line is from the original message =====
    > > * Lowering the video quality from hd to high didn't help.
    > > * Clearing my browser cache didn't help.
    > > * "Delete all sites" from my Flash cache via http://phtshp.us/2fZi didn't help.
    > > * Turning off hardware acceleration in Flash via the right-click menu. didn't help.
    > > * Power-cycling my router, modem, and computer, didn't help.
    > > * Using other browsers didn't help:


    Mystery solved. I don't really know what kind of bullet characters they
    were. I got them from hulu support's email. But obviously they were what
    your POST filter was rejecting...

    Live and learn

    Thanks

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    Default Re: Apps forum NNTP posting fails [441 Posting Failed (Rejected byPOST filter)]

    On 2015-07-14 19:48, Jim Henderson wrote:
    > On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:34:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:



    > It would be a multipart message, but I think there are a couple standards
    > - and that is something we block at the server that's not part of the
    > postfilter I looked at.


    Yes. But Alpine can not PGP sign using multipart, only inline. At least
    when I looked at it some time ago, they were working on this.

    He is using Alpine:

    Code:
    User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (DEB 23 2013-08-11)

    When I tried Alpine on these forums, I did not always succeed (I don't
    remember the issues, though). Leafnode seems more reliable.

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    Default Re: Apps forum NNTP posting fails [441 Posting Failed (Rejected byPOST filter)]

    On 2015-07-14 20:08, JtWdyP wrote:

    > Mystery solved. I don't really know what kind of bullet characters they
    > were. I got them from hulu support's email. But obviously they were what
    > your POST filter was rejecting...


    Interesting.

    Either above char(127), when transfer is set to 7 bit (I doubt it), or
    it is an UTF char. Linux supports UTF, but many nntp tools are pretty old.

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    Default Re: Apps forum NNTP posting fails [441 Posting Failed (Rejected byPOST filter)]

    On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 18:08:14 +0000, JtWdyP wrote:

    > Mystery solved. I don't really know what kind of bullet characters they
    > were. I got them from hulu support's email. But obviously they were what
    > your POST filter was rejecting...


    Awesome, glad you found it.

    Jim



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    Default Re: Apps forum NNTP posting fails [441 Posting Failed (Rejected byPOST filter)]

    On 2015-07-14 20:24, Carlos E. R. wrote:
    > On 2015-07-14 20:08, JtWdyP wrote:
    >
    >> Mystery solved. I don't really know what kind of bullet characters they
    >> were. I got them from hulu support's email. But obviously they were what
    >> your POST filter was rejecting...

    >
    > Interesting.
    >
    > Either above char(127), when transfer is set to 7 bit (I doubt it), or
    > it is an UTF char. Linux supports UTF, but many nntp tools are pretty old.



    I have this in my Alpine config:

    [ ] Enable 8bit NNTP Posting

    Might be it (ie, verify it is disabled). The help on it says:

    FEATURE: Enable 8bit NNTP Posting

    This feature affects Alpine's behavior when posting news.

    The Internet standard for exchanging USENET news messages (RFC-1036) specifies that USENET messages should conform to Internet mail standards and contain only 7bit characters, but much of the news transport software in use today is capable of successfully sending messages containing 8bit characters. Hence, many people believe that it is appropriate to send 8bit news messages without any MIME encoding.

    Moreover, there is no Internet standard for explicitly negotiating 8bit transfer, as there is for Internet email. Therefore, Alpine provides the option of posting unencoded 8bit news messages, though not as the default. Setting this feature will turn OFF Alpine's MIME encoding of newsgroup postings that contain 8bit characters.

    Note, articles may cross a path or pass through news transport software that is unsafe or even hostile to 8bit characters. At best this will only cause the posting to become garbled. The safest way to transmit 8bit characters is to leave Alpine's MIME encoding turned on, but recipients who lack MIME-aware tools are often annoyed when they receive MIME-encoded messages.

    <End of help on this topic>


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  8. #28
    JtWdyP NNTP User

    Default Re: Apps forum NNTP posting fails [441 Posting Failed (Rejected byPOST filter)]


    It would appear that on Jul 15, Carlos E. R. did say:

    > > Interesting.
    > >
    > > Either above char(127), when transfer is set to 7 bit (I doubt it), or
    > > it is an UTF char. Linux supports UTF, but many nntp tools are pretty old.

    >
    >
    > I have this in my Alpine config:
    >
    > [ ] Enable 8bit NNTP Posting
    >
    > Might be it (ie, verify it is disabled). The help on it says:


    -snipped. . . . . . . . . .stuff

    > but recipients who lack MIME-aware tools are often annoyed when they
    > receive MIME-encoded messages.


    Yup, the 8bit NNTP was enabled...

    But does anybody know how the NNTP gateway handles MIME-encoded postings?
    And especially does it get automatically decoded on it's way to the HTTP
    side of the forums?

    I mean I'd rather the occasional rejected post (when I didn't notice that
    some snippage included such characters) than to have a significant part of
    the message be displayed in it's encoded form when viewed via the web...

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    Default Re: Apps forum NNTP posting fails [441 Posting Failed (Rejected byPOST filter)]

    On 2015-07-18 20:09, JtWdyP wrote:

    > Yup, the 8bit NNTP was enabled...
    >
    > But does anybody know how the NNTP gateway handles MIME-encoded postings?
    > And especially does it get automatically decoded on it's way to the HTTP
    > side of the forums?
    >
    > I mean I'd rather the occasional rejected post (when I didn't notice that
    > some snippage included such characters) than to have a significant part of
    > the message be displayed in it's encoded form when viewed via the web...


    I don't know.

    Although I use Alpine for email, I do not use it for nntp: I don't like
    that it does not track what messages were read or not. Instead, I use
    Thunderbird, combined with "leafnode", which does the actual sending and
    fetching of nntp.

    I do not have a problem in that area.
    With Alpine I had some issues when I tried.

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    Default Re: Apps forum NNTP posting fails [441 Posting Failed (Rejected byPOST filter)]

    On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:09:56 +0000, JtWdyP wrote:

    > It would appear that on Jul 15, Carlos E. R. did say:
    >
    >> > Interesting.
    >> >
    >> > Either above char(127), when transfer is set to 7 bit (I doubt it),
    >> > or it is an UTF char. Linux supports UTF, but many nntp tools are
    >> > pretty old.

    >>
    >>
    >> I have this in my Alpine config:
    >>
    >> [ ] Enable 8bit NNTP Posting
    >>
    >> Might be it (ie, verify it is disabled). The help on it says:

    >
    > -snipped. . . . . . . . . .stuff
    >
    >> but recipients who lack MIME-aware tools are often annoyed when they
    >> receive MIME-encoded messages.

    >
    > Yup, the 8bit NNTP was enabled...
    >
    > But does anybody know how the NNTP gateway handles MIME-encoded
    > postings? And especially does it get automatically decoded on it's way
    > to the HTTP side of the forums?
    >
    > I mean I'd rather the occasional rejected post (when I didn't notice
    > that some snippage included such characters) than to have a significant
    > part of the message be displayed in it's encoded form when viewed via
    > the web...


    IIRC, it rejects multipart messages. The gateway (which is distinct from
    the NNTP interface) doesn't handle attachments at all, and multipart
    implies an attachment, so it rejects it because there is no support in
    the gateway for transferring attachments - and on the web interface,
    we've generally disabled attachments anyways, preferring to point people
    to paste.opensuse.org for things they'd put in attachments.

    Jim
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