Like detecting the word “tumbleweed” in the post creation, and if found,
directly pop up a message suggesting the post be created on the
tumbleweed forum?
I say because there are a lot of such posts.
I suppose moving a thread involves time for the moderators.
But it is also a nuisance and a danger for nntp posters, because we end
with broken threads on two groups, with the danger of posting on the
wrong one by mistake.
This does not happen for web posters, of course, the entire thread moves.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
Hi
The current method in the Tumbleweed/Pre-release/Factory forum is to require a user to add a prefix to the thread before it posts, in the other forums the release prefix is optional.
On 2015-05-20 14:56, malcolmlewis wrote:
>
> Hi
> The current method in the Tumbleweed/Pre-release/Factory forum is to
> require a user to add a prefix to the thread before it posts, in the
> other forums the release prefix is optional.
No, not that.
I mean when a user posts a thread about tumbleweed, in the applications,
boot-login, etc. Then the thread has to be moved.
I ask if they can be automatically detected before they are actually
submitted.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
On Wed 20 May 2015 01:23:06 PM CDT, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-05-20 14:56, malcolmlewis wrote:
>
> Hi
> The current method in the Tumbleweed/Pre-release/Factory forum is to
> require a user to add a prefix to the thread before it posts, in the
> other forums the release prefix is optional.
No, not that.
I mean when a user posts a thread about tumbleweed, in the applications,
boot-login, etc. Then the thread has to be moved.
I ask if they can be automatically detected before they are actually
submitted.
Hi
Like I explained, the only way is via a prefix, this is set to optional
at present except in the the ‘tumbleweed’ forum.
Any other option is probably some sort of plugin which is not done on
these fora for compatibility issues.
It’s not an issue moving threads, just a few buttons to press…
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On Wed, 20 May 2015 12:33:05 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Like detecting the word “tumbleweed” in the post creation, and if found,
> directly pop up a message suggesting the post be created on the
> tumbleweed forum?
Not without changing the core software, so this probably won’t happen.
> I say because there are a lot of such posts.
>
> I suppose moving a thread involves time for the moderators.
It does. It would be helpful if users of Tumbleweed understood that
there is a forum just for them.
We’ve got a discussion going on in the backroom about how to handle this
best, with a couple good ideas. When we’ve talked it through, we’ll
throw it out here for comment.
On 2015-05-21 07:20, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2015 12:33:05 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> Like detecting the word “tumbleweed” in the post creation, and if found,
>> directly pop up a message suggesting the post be created on the
>> tumbleweed forum?
>
> Not without changing the core software, so this probably won’t happen.
Oh.
>> I say because there are a lot of such posts.
>>
>> I suppose moving a thread involves time for the moderators.
>
> It does. It would be helpful if users of Tumbleweed understood that
> there is a forum just for them.
>
> We’ve got a discussion going on in the backroom about how to handle this
> best, with a couple good ideas. When we’ve talked it through, we’ll
> throw it out here for comment.
Thanks
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
Best solution would of course be that users first browsed through the available (sub)forums and see the word Tumbleweed before they start a thread. Not being a Tumbleweed user myself, I do not know why that is asked to much from them.
On 2015-05-21 15:56, hcvv wrote:
>
> Best solution would of course be that users first browsed through the
> available (sub)forums and see the word Tumbleweed before they start a
> thread. Not being a Tumbleweed user myself, I do not know why that is
> asked to much from them.
Well, the same as others post in the submissions forum… despite the
huge banner.
There are not that many forums here, it should not be that difficult. On
other places I see hundreds, literally, I’m absolutely unable to choose
one…
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
With what appears to be the increasing popularity of Tumbleweed, perhaps it would help if it was a dedicated sub-forum, as opposed to being together with ‘Evergreen and PreRelease/Beta’ and requiring a prefix to be selected.
Although I must say it’s obvious as it is at the moment, if one looks. (Sheepishly admitting my own first Tumbleweed post was in the wrong section :shame: )
Because, I am growing quite weary of seeing that, as well.
I think people who cannot understand the concept of the presence of the Tumbleweed forum should not actually be using bleeding edge, anyway.:sarcastic:
On Fri, 22 May 2015 01:26:01 +0000, Fraser Bell wrote:
> I think people who cannot understand the concept of the presence of the
> Tumbleweed forum should not actually be using bleeding edge,
> anyway.:sarcastic:
I don’t disagree with that, though the argument also could be made that
as Tumbleweed becomes more ‘mainstream’ as a release in its own right,
having a separate forum space for it doesn’t make sense.
I am not sure that Tumbleweed becomes more ‘mainstream’. At least not when one tries to measure that from forums usage. The many Tumbleweed threads may originate from the fact that more and more people are trying it for some reason and are getting problems at least partly because of they underestimate the “bleeding edge” side of it. At the same time the users of the official versions (13.1, 13.2) are seem to be happy users of a stable system, having no problems at all. Nevertheless, these happy users could be a vast majority.
That said, the forums are of course there to help everybody. And when the Tumbleweed users need more help then 13.1/13.2 users then it be so. But at the same time such facts of life (more Tumbleweed problems vs. not many 13.1/13.2 problems and the problem T users seem have to find the word Tumbleweed in the (sub)forums list) leds us into a possibly reorganizing the forums. Do be warned!
The perceived stability of Tw over last 6 months and its new ability to roll through the standard release change, is bound to attract new users to Tw. Some will need help/advice, others will give it, and both will contribute to increased forum traffic. The traffic will probably surge when KDE/Gnome or any other important sub-system is under heavy development. The surge could happen more frequently now, instead of the previous eight-monthly to a year cycle.
At the same time the users of the official versions (13.1, 13.2) are seem to be happy users of a stable system, having no problems at all. Nevertheless, these happy users could be a vast majority.
Well there are now two published versions of openSUSE, and one of those is Tw, according to its official announcement. They are both then “official”! The vast majority of “happy users” may actively read the forum, even with eyes on Tw issues as a guide to the Project’s progress and overall stability, although that may be a secondary consideration when as you write:
That said, the forums are of course there to help everybody. And when the Tumbleweed users need more help then 13.1/13.2 users then it be so. But at the same time such facts of life (more Tumbleweed problems vs. not many 13.1/13.2 problems and the problem T users seem have to find the word Tumbleweed in the (sub)forums list) leds us into a possibly reorganizing the forums. Do be warned!
There is also the possibility that if openSUSE-SLE happens, it will further increase the number of Tw users. Any re-organization may have to cope with gold rush scenarios where losers soon return to a more stable life-style having burnt their investment.
> Well there are now two published versions of openSUSE, and one of those
> is Tw, according to its official announcement. They are both then
> “official”!
There is 13.1, 13.2, 11.4 Evergreen (still gets updates), Tumbleweed,
and Factory (the real bleeding edge version, few people use it).
Five versions
> There is also the possibility that if openSUSE-SLE happens, it will
> further increase the number of Tw users. Your re-organization may have
> to cope with gold rush scenarios where losers soon return to a more
> stable life-style having burnt their investment.
Not by much.
Most people that really want the stable release can no way use TW.
We will try to cope/accept the new stable-old releases…
If not, well, some will go. It has happened before.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
> I am not sure that Tumbleweed becomes more ‘mainstream’. At least not
> when one tries to measure that from forums usage. The many Tumbleweed
> threads may originate from the fact that more and more people are trying
> it for some reason and are getting problems at least partly because of
> they underestimate the “bleeding edge” side of it. At the same time the
> users of the official versions (13.1, 13.2) are seem to be happy users
> of a stable system, having no problems at all. Nevertheless, these happy
> users could be a vast majority.
Absolutely
> That said, the forums are of course there to help everybody. And when
> the Tumbleweed users need more help then 13.1/13.2 users then it be so.
> But at the same time such facts of life (more Tumbleweed problems vs.
> not many 13.1/13.2 problems and the problem T users seem have to find
> the word Tumbleweed in the (sub)forums list) leds us into a possibly
> reorganizing the forums. Do be warned!
Better wait a year and see what happens. Don’t be hasty
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
I don’t understand your point, other than a tactical diversion. Perhaps my use of English wasn’t clear enough?
13.1 and 13.2 are Releases of the same published standard version of openSUSE. “Factory” is notpublished for external use. Evergreen is just extended maintenance of a standard published version of openSUSE, albeit well done by very small sub-project, that will end if or when openSUSE-SLE goes ahead.
> There is also the possibility that if openSUSE-SLE happens, it will
> further increase the number of Tw users. Your re-organization may have
> to cope with gold rush scenarios where losers soon return to a more
> stable life-style having burnt their investment.
Not by much…
How do you know that? No-one knows for sure. Those who use the standard version because it evolves every 8-12 months, might well gravitate to Tumbleweed.
On Fri, 22 May 2015 11:06:01 +0000, consused wrote:
>> That said, the forums are of course there to help everybody. And when
>> the Tumbleweed users need more help then 13.1/13.2 users then it be so.
>> But at the same time such facts of life (more Tumbleweed problems vs.
>> not many 13.1/13.2 problems and the problem T users seem have to find
>> the word Tumbleweed in the (sub)forums list) leds us into a possibly
>> reorganizing the forums. Do be warned!
> There is also the possibility that if openSUSE-SLE happens, it will
> further increase the number of Tw users. Your re-organization may have
> to cope with gold rush scenarios where losers soon return to a more
> stable life-style having burnt their investment.
I think the idea of reorganizing around releases is probably problematic
there’s probably enough overlap between the standard release and
tumbleweed that issues cross versions. My personal preference (not
speaking as a forum admin right now) is to not make sets of version-
specific forums, because that tends to lead to a lot of maintenance work
for the technical admin.
It’s generally better to group around ideas, features, and components, as
we do today.
We do see a lot more Tumbleweed traffic today, probably partly because
it’s being described as more stable than it has been in the past, and
partly because the future main release development is under discussion,
so plans for future 13.x, 14.x, and so on releases are currently up in
the air (there’s a discussion about the next version potentially being
42.1, which is a nod to SUSE’s history and (originally) The Hitchhiker’s
Guide to the Galaxy).
On 2015-05-22 16:06, consused wrote:
>
> Carlos E. R.;2711401 Wrote:
>> There is 13.1, 13.2, 11.4 Evergreen (still gets updates), Tumbleweed,
>> and Factory (the real bleeding edge version, few people use it).
>>
>> Five versions
> I don’t understand your point, other than a tactical diversion. Perhaps
> my use of English wasn’t clear enough?
We are from different countries and cultures, we understand things
differently
>>> There is also the possibility that if openSUSE-SLE happens, it will
>>> further increase the number of Tw users. Your re-organization may have
>>> to cope with gold rush scenarios where losers soon return to a more
>>> stable life-style having burnt their investment.
>>
>> Not by much…
> How do you know that? No-one knows for sure. Those who use the standard
> version because it evolves every 8-12 months, might well gravitate to
> Tumbleweed.
From my own feelings and what I have read from people that use the
stable for similar reasons than mine.
I know that I will not gravitate to tumbleweed.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
