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    Default Re: remote desktop, please suggestions?

    Never saw the point to do a full backup of the system (/etc maybe) You can install and replace all the programs you might need in about 1/2 hour with decent Net speed. Probably take as long if not longer to do a backup restore.

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    On 2015-04-17 03:26, gogalthorp wrote:
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    > Never saw the point to do a full backup of the system (/etc maybe) You
    > can install and replace all the programs you might need in about 1/2
    > hour with decent Net speed. Probably take as long if not longer to do a
    > backup restore.


    Not that easy if you don't have access to the computer, and have to do
    it over the phone (to give instructions to some one that is not an
    expert) and internet.

    And about installing in half an hour... it would take me hours (even
    days) to restore my machine. Install, update, and configure everything.
    And work, effort. Compared to just start a command to copy back the
    backup image. Boot the sequence, go out for a coffe or watch the TV,
    come back, reboot, done.

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    I just use:

    rsync -avz [sourcepath] [destinationpath]

    in a cron job myself. The '-z' parameter probably does nothing (I think
    that's for compression on client-server rsync, not used in a local sync,
    but it's just habit for me).

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    nrickert wrote:

    > One caution, though. Backup disks can also fail. So there might be an
    > advantage in having two backup disks and alternating between them. I am
    > currently liking those portable disks that are powered by the USB port,
    > so are easy to connect.
    >


    I agree to the multiple drive thoughts. I have used that scheme "backing
    up" a few generations of a corrupted file over the useable one. rsync also
    allows one to select number of versions being kept which addresses that oops
    - but you do need to devise a useable recovery check regardless of what
    scheme you use. None of the backups solutions will protect you from yourself
    ;-)

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    more food for thoughts: remmina
    So, I'm still exploring differences between VNC solutions vs nomachine/teaviewer ones, other then:
    - open source model vs closes
    - easy of configurability (router ports in primis)

    I just found out that apparently X2Go has some desktop enviroment limitations (the target machine will run Gnome3):
    http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/doc:de-compat

    Hey oldcpu, please did you ever consider faster/xserver based solutions (nomachine/teaviewer) and if not, why?
    Thanks

    PS
    haven't run any test yet, sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    It turns out my mother does not backup her data (to an external USB device) so this is something I need to setup. I am a continent away, so that adds a complication.

    My plan is to buy a 1-TB USB drive over the internet, and have it shipped to her. I will then ask my sister (who lives in the same city as my mother) to unpack the USB drive, and plug it into my mother's PC. Then I will access my mother's PC remotely, and back up her /home to the USB drive. I have not decided if I will back up / .

    I am still deliberating on what is the best backup app to use. I am leaning toward using the basic program 'dar' but I have a learning curve to overcome first.
    Did you say she has dual boot with Windows? If so, the quickest & easiest way would probably be to get her to boot to Windows, go remote to her Windows & install the free EaseUS ToDo Backup program, and you can run partition or whole disk backups from right within Windows. It is reliable, I have used it many times. In fact, before I start work on someone's Windows machine, I make a backup with EaseUs and another with Clonezilla, both to my External HD.

    You could use that in the meantime, until you get up to par with Dar, or whichever other backup app you finally decide to land on.

    As for how much to backup: You will, of course, get conflicting opinions. If using Clonezilla, for example, I backup the whole drive periodically, since I can choose to either restore the entire drive, or just a partition, from that backup. If I remember correctly, you can do the same with EaseUS, but it now has been a little while since I used the latter.

    Some backup programs, I recall, could not do that, so when I used them, I would backup the whole drive, then make separate backups of the partitions.

    And, yes, backing up the System (er, in Linux, the / partition) is a good idea. You can get her back up & running in short order that way, less time than re-installing, and when working between continents time is important.
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    Quick off-topic note:
    If you use KDE and take advantage of Baloo features then be sure backup tool has extended attributes ON - not OFF as I think default is. Is for Back In Time and rsync from a quick lookup. If I remember correctly fstab in Yast it is also not ticked? Anyway, cant count on it being on.

    Why is explained here http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/07/tagging-your-files/ and here http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/08/extend...butes-updates/ - see not so happy comments.

    Not great to debate if a core feature might be stupidest idea ever but will "3rd party tools can kill your data" issue be crystal clear to all users? As if KDE need that type of advertising. Especially not if they finally make sane interfaces to actually use and search for all that data.

    KDEs monstrosities are not dead just because they update here and there

    http://www.lesbonscomptes.com/pages/extattrs.html potential yikes.

    Trying to get back to topic:
    Teamviewer is standard tool on Windows because it is way more reliable and much faster than anything with "VNC" in name. And so easy you can put a link on desktop and voila. Proprietary speed and optimized defaults Works on Linux. You can install the "Other systems (not officially supported)" version if you do not want a service running. Or you can go with "SUSE" version and disable/enable on the fly. Need to manually install 15 32bit libs. your self if you do manual install. Someone mentioned a "mobile" version with no services but I cant see it anywhere. If not mistaken I think you also need to make your self owner of "opt/teamviewer" folder but cant remember.

    Test will show what works or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suseisnotdebian View Post
    Hey oldcpu, please did you ever consider faster/xserver based solutions (nomachine/teaviewer) and if not, why?
    I've used both.

    I could never configure nomachine such that my mother could see everything I was doing on her PC. So I stopped using it. I want her to be able to see everything to the maximum extent possible. Philosophically I dislike the idea of working on someone else's computer if they can not see what I am doing.

    I don't care for the teamviewer graphics / keymapping. I found vnc superior. Teamviewer is handy if one struggles getting through a router/firewall. But thats not an issue for me, I have no problem accessing my mother's PC nominally, so that teamviewer advantage is lost on me. In other aspects I think piping vnc through ssh (for security) is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraser_Bell View Post
    Did you say she has dual boot with Windows?
    Dual boot yes. Functional dual boot - no.

    Her OEM HP windows-7 install is missing a few drivers that allow to configure the BIOS such that Windows-7 can Linux can boot run in a dual boot. So I have the BIOS configured so Linux will boot and hence Windows will not boot. The only way to boot windows is to go into the BIOS, and change the BIOS settings, then restart and select Windows in Grub. Of course this also means that Linux won't boot. ( it appears there are different variants of the HP P6510F and the one my mother owns would not boot Windows 7 with the BIOS setting set to AHCI (Win7 will only boot with BIOS set to RAID on the HP P6510F implementation I ended up purchasing. And openSUSE does not support that RAID implementation. )) . For Windows7 its a driver issue. I actually called HP support and they said give them $100 and they could send me the software/driver to fix it for windows to boot with the AHCI setting. Needless to say I thanked them for their offer and then said no thankyou.

    So a BIOS change is needed with each OS boot change. I leave it thus permanently configured with AHCI for Linux.

    Changing BIOS on the fly is NOT something one can do remotely nor is it something my +89 year old mother can do.

    Thus while there is a dual boot in place, I have the BIOS set for Linux and NOT windows. There is a long story about this dual boot hiccup (see post#124 here: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthre...56#post2254356 ).
    Last edited by oldcpu; 17-Apr-2015 at 13:39.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    Dual boot yes. Functional dual boot - no. (... and the rest ...) ...
    Not viable as a simple solution, then, obviously. Too bad.
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