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    Default New member - OpenSUSE 13.2 KDE or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

    I have a question before i try opensuse 13.2. Is it anything like ubuntu in some ways? I tryed linux mint 3 times and was not for me. Ubuntu studio 14.04 i use and very happy with that. I would like to use suse on other computer and would like to know first before install. Trying to get away from windows. Thank you for any help on this.

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    Default Re: New member - OpenSUSE 13.2 KDE or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

    Hello and welcome! This is more of a troubleshooting forum than a general question subforum and you might get better
    answers posting there (or if this post was moved there). Your questions are quite difficult to answer without some
    details trying to work out what is you are looking to get out openSUSE.

    On 2015-02-18, jamesc2015 <jamesc2015@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
    > I have a question before i try opensuse 13.2. Is it anything like ubuntu
    > in some ways?


    Yes it is. It is like most distributions:

    GNU/Linux distribution = Linux Kernel + GNU + Package Manager +/- Desktop Enviroment

    The kernel and GNU components are somewhat different (e.g. `sudo' uses) but for most people are minor. The package
    manager is different (zypper vs apt-get), but essentially perform the same functions (installing rpm vs deb binary
    packages and dependencies). Like Ubuntu, openSUSE can be used with different DEs (e.g. KDE/GNOME/etc...), but official
    support for the various desktops is native to openSUSE whereas Ubuntu variants require you to install different flavours
    (e.g. Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc...).

    > I tryed linux mint 3 times and was not for me. Ubuntu studio 14.04 i use and very happy with that.


    If you happy with Ubuntu 14.04, it might be helpful to know why you don't want to stick with it. And when you say Linux
    Mint wasn't for you, can you elaborate why?

    > I would like to use suse on
    > other computer and would like to know first before install.


    SUSE and openSUSE are not the same operating system so it's worth distinguishing them by name.

    > Trying to
    > get away from windows. Thank you for any help on this.


    It might also be helpful to know what it is about Windows you are trying to get away from. Sorry to answer your
    questions with more questions but it's easier to give you useful answers with a clearer idea of your expectations.

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    Default Re: New member - OpenSUSE 13.2 KDE or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesc2015 View Post
    I have a question before i try opensuse 13.2. Is it anything like ubuntu in some ways? I tryed linux mint 3 times and was not for me. Ubuntu studio 14.04 i use and very happy with that. I would like to use suse on other computer and would like to know first before install. Trying to get away from windows. Thank you for any help on this.
    Welcome aboard.

    IMHO yours is one of those questions that will elict as many different opinions as there are replies. There can never be a firm answer to any question based on so many highly personal and quite subjective factors. For instance: I love openSUSE and despise Ubuntu. I'm not really sure why, but it is what it is. On the other hand I know many folk who swear by Ubuntu and can't stand openSUSE, and then there are a whole lot more who prefer some other distro like Mint or.........

    The only way you will ever know will be to give each a try... Not just install, play for an hour and uninstall. Give each a week to get used to it, then decide.
    MS user 1988-2008, Linux user 1998-present, openSUSE user since 2004
    (The first computer I used had a punch card reader)

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    Default Re: New member - OpenSUSE 13.2 KDE or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

    Speaking very much in generalities, and of course IMO

    openSUSE better at...
    The zypper (and YAST) utilities IMO far superior for finding apps. You may need, though to install special repos beyond OSS to get the wider variety and capability.

    YAST is "the" tool unique to openSUSE and nothing comparable can be found in any other distro. Similar idea to the Windows Control Panel where you have a single place to go to for plenty of GUI tools to make almost anything common easy to configure (you may need to install the config applet). Solves many of those problems of "How can I set this app up? Is it secure or did I make a really bad mistake? Where are the files I need to edit (typically none if configured in the applet)"

    Text editor enhancements... Things like auto color coding in command line editors (like vim) as well as GUI (depending on Desktop might be Kate or Leafpad, etc).

    openSUSE is also one of those distros with a reputation for being one of the earlier to integrate new upstream technologies as they become available. I don't think many openSUSE Users have experienced too many app integration issues because of this, but you do have options like installing and freezing specific libraries, patching instead of updating, etc. But, these steps are rare. The benefits include better kernel performance, latest app features, etc.

    Ubuntu LTS (specifically since you specified) is better at...
    There are many complex app solutions I've run into that are written almost entirely for Ubuntu (and Debian). For what I use, this is primarily Pen-test suites.

    LTS means that Ubuntu will ensure support far longer than a typical upgrade cycle. With openSUSE, the upgrade cycle (time between versions) is approx every 18 mths. For some people, upgrading every 18 mths is still too often and when you decide to upgrade it's generally advised to upgrade to every intermediate version in sequence. With LTS (or openSUSE Evergreen) you can plan on upgrading every 3+ years instead.

    Misc other issues
    Maybe you can live with the Ubuntu Unity desktop. I tried, but can't stand various "features" including most of all its window behavior. So, when I deploy an Ubuntu distro, since my personal lightweight Desktop is LXDE, I typically install Lubuntu. With openSUSE, I don't have any similar strong dissatisfaction with any Desktop, I feel practically all are extremely usable for various situations (except for the bugginess of the Minimal X Desktop).

    So, In almost every way I personally feel that openSUSE is far more friendlier and usable than Ubuntu, but User-friendliness is only one factor I use when deciding which distro to use for a speciic situation.

    TSU

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    Default Re: New member - OpenSUSE 13.2 KDE or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

    Quote Originally Posted by flymail View Post
    Hello and welcome! This is more of a troubleshooting forum than a general question subforum and you might get better
    answers posting there (or if this post was moved there). Your questions are quite difficult to answer without some
    details trying to work out what is you are looking to get out openSUSE.

    On 2015-02-18, jamesc2015 <jamesc2015@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
    > I have a question before i try opensuse 13.2. Is it anything like ubuntu
    > in some ways?


    Yes it is. It is like most distributions:

    GNU/Linux distribution = Linux Kernel + GNU + Package Manager +/- Desktop Enviroment

    The kernel and GNU components are somewhat different (e.g. `sudo' uses) but for most people are minor. The package
    manager is different (zypper vs apt-get), but essentially perform the same functions (installing rpm vs deb binary
    packages and dependencies). Like Ubuntu, openSUSE can be used with different DEs (e.g. KDE/GNOME/etc...), but official
    support for the various desktops is native to openSUSE whereas Ubuntu variants require you to install different flavours
    (e.g. Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc...).

    > I tryed linux mint 3 times and was not for me. Ubuntu studio 14.04 i use and very happy with that.


    If you happy with Ubuntu 14.04, it might be helpful to know why you don't want to stick with it. And when you say Linux
    Mint wasn't for you, can you elaborate why?

    > I would like to use suse on
    > other computer and would like to know first before install.


    SUSE and openSUSE are not the same operating system so it's worth distinguishing them by name.

    > Trying to
    > get away from windows. Thank you for any help on this.


    It might also be helpful to know what it is about Windows you are trying to get away from. Sorry to answer your
    questions with more questions but it's easier to give you useful answers with a clearer idea of your expectations.
    Thank you for reply - I have used windows from win 3.1. I have ubuntu studio 14.04 on laptop. I want to put OpenSUSE 13.2 KDE on a desktop pc. For Linux mint 16 - I could not get around or find to many things,Is very hard to learn at lease for me. where 2 weeks with ubuntu and i felt comfy with it. (not lost). Ubuntu was fast to learn, get around desktop, hook up camera, printer and do the things i did on windows xp or 7. Win 98 and win xp i think was microsofts best. Some may think the newer is better, everyone is diffurent. I will try other linux os but not mint. Try to get away - BUGS-ADWARE-VIRISES - Thats all you get. $100. a yr. for nortons and you still get infected. Want to try opensuse 13.2 or a other linux os. Hope this helps.

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    Default Re: New member - OpenSUSE 13.2 KDE or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

    I have used openSUSE for many years. I install other Linuxes several times each year just to see if there is anything new that I could use. I recently installed Ubuntu 14.04 on my Chromebook and I must admit that the applications I use were easily installed and mostly pre-configured. But I still prefer openSUSE, the software managers YaST and zypper being two reasons. For me the most important difference is that when I run into a problem in Ubuntu, Debian, Mint etc. it remains largely unsolved, perhaps because I use older hardware and older methods. But when I ask for help on this forum I get excellent, speedy help and solutions I can understand.

    Best solution - try both and keep the one you like.

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    Default Re: New member - OpenSUSE 13.2 KDE or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

    Quote Originally Posted by ionmich View Post
    ...when I ask for help on this forum I get excellent, speedy help and solutions I can understand.
    The # 1 reason why I am not likely to desert openSUSE.
    MS user 1988-2008, Linux user 1998-present, openSUSE user since 2004
    (The first computer I used had a punch card reader)

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    Default Re: New member - OpenSUSE 13.2 KDE or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

    Quote Originally Posted by ionmich View Post
    I have used openSUSE for many years. I install other Linuxes several times each year just to see if there is anything new that I could use. I recently installed Ubuntu 14.04 on my Chromebook and I must admit that the applications I use were easily installed and mostly pre-configured. But I still prefer openSUSE, the software managers YaST and zypper being two reasons. For me the most important difference is that when I run into a problem in Ubuntu, Debian, Mint etc. it remains largely unsolved, perhaps because I use older hardware and older methods. But when I ask for help on this forum I get excellent, speedy help and solutions I can understand.

    Best solution - try both and keep the one you like.
    Thank you ionmick - Thats helpful. I,m going to try opensuse 13.2 and zorin 9.1. I have laptops, netbooks and some desktops, so i will give them a try for a month an see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caprus View Post
    The # 1 reason why I am not likely to desert openSUSE.
    This. Exactly.

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    Default Re: New member - OpenSUSE 13.2 KDE or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesc2015 View Post

    I could not get around or find to many things,Is very hard to learn at lease for me. where 2 weeks with ubuntu and i felt comfy with it. (not lost). Ubuntu was fast to learn, get around desktop, hook up camera, printer and do the things i did on windows xp or 7.
    No expert here, I am probably a lot more like you.

    I am a long-time (since DOS 2) Microsoft user who is trying to get my footing here in 13.2/KDE.

    After dabbling with Ubuntu/Gnome (and eventually Unity) for about 5 years, and becoming fairly comfortable with it after only a couple of months, I will have to say that I am having a lot of trouble here, most particularly in finding my way around YaST and zypper. Once I crack that nut, I expect the sailing to smooth out quite a bit.

    I have picked up a few Unix/Linux/SUSE books and they are OK, but always seem to be thin on explaining the crucial key and fundamental concepts. In all fairness, I must say that there is probably a stumbling block in my own mind fabricated by past experiences and preconceived notions that are hard for me to get around.

    Having said that, it is very liberating to explore the new world of FOSS after swimming in the Microsoft ecosystem for so long, but I expect the full transition to take a long time.
    openSUSE 13.2 with KDE 4.14.4 and Plasma 4
    + Windows 7 with Firefox dual-boot on a strong but aging desktop computer


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