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    I am wondering what web page creators people are using these days? My
    personal web site has a web authoring tool, but you can only make 6 web
    pages unless you upgrade, and I am on the cheap right now. Also, I don't
    want to totally recreate the site, but just add a few pages here and
    there and link to them from my home page.

    I did a google search and found some suggestions like quanta and
    kompozer that seemed to suit my style. I don't want to try and learn to
    program html - a graphical interface will be sufficient. I don't need
    fancy things, I just want to have text, pictures, links, and links
    embedded in the pictures so that people can download the picture to view
    a larger picture. I might also want to embed a slide show or youtube
    video from time to time.

    The problem with quanta is it is really old and when I installed it from
    the repositories, I found that it was a kde3 application. Well, it will
    run, but I don't need a kde3 application. I am using kde4.

    Kompozer isn't in the regular repositories, so I found it through
    package search, but it is a bit buggy, so I am hesitant to put a lot of
    effort into learning that system.

    I also thought about bluefish, which was mentioned in a google search as
    being one of the best. But the description of bluefish also said you
    needed to be kind of tech-y to understand it, and I am not much more
    than an amateur. Graphical interface without having to program too much
    is what I prefer.

    Any suggestions?

    Thanks in advance.
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    There aren't any except for the outdated and buggy ones you mention. But for your stated purpose, why not simply use LibreOffice?
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    On 11/26/2014 06:06 PM, golson765 wrote:
    > I am wondering what web page creators people are using these days? My
    > personal web site has a web authoring tool, but you can only make 6 web
    > pages unless you upgrade, and I am on the cheap right now. Also, I don't
    > want to totally recreate the site, but just add a few pages here and
    > there and link to them from my home page.
    >
    > I did a google search and found some suggestions like quanta and
    > kompozer that seemed to suit my style. I don't want to try and learn to
    > program html - a graphical interface will be sufficient. I don't need
    > fancy things, I just want to have text, pictures, links, and links
    > embedded in the pictures so that people can download the picture to view
    > a larger picture. I might also want to embed a slide show or youtube
    > video from time to time.
    >
    > The problem with quanta is it is really old and when I installed it from
    > the repositories, I found that it was a kde3 application. Well, it will
    > run, but I don't need a kde3 application. I am using kde4.
    >
    > Kompozer isn't in the regular repositories, so I found it through
    > package search, but it is a bit buggy, so I am hesitant to put a lot of
    > effort into learning that system.
    >
    > I also thought about bluefish, which was mentioned in a google search as
    > being one of the best. But the description of bluefish also said you
    > needed to be kind of tech-y to understand it, and I am not much more
    > than an amateur. Graphical interface without having to program too much
    > is what I prefer.
    >
    > Any suggestions?
    >
    > Thanks in advance.


    seamonkey provides some ability to create html pages.

    Ken

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    On 11/27/2014 05:26 AM, gminnerup wrote:
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    > There aren't any except for the outdated and buggy ones you mention. But
    > for your stated purpose, why not simply use LibreOffice?
    >
    >



    I tried to use LibreOffice, but it is just not as intuitive and it seems
    to be more buggy than the others.

    If there aren't any applications that do this, how are linux users
    designing web pages these days? Are people only using the online tools?

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    From what you posted, this may not be your cup of tea but the <really big> buzz and development of web page creation right now is a category called "static website generators."

    Don't know what kind of website you have but if it's only CSS3/Javascript/HTML5 (or something close) your website is a good candidate to conversion to a static website. Other general features are
    - All code must be public. No hidden or protected files. So, a main indicator is that Users can't login, all access is anonymous (except of course yourself as the website author, but your access is to the webserver, not the website).
    - If you deploy on Providers like github, they will have their own requirements like only tiny files, at most a few megabytes.
    - No special serving, like streaming media although downloading and viewing any file type without restriction is typically supported.
    - The most popular types of websites that can be deployed as static websites are blogging, wikis, small business "billboard" "I am here"

    The attraction of static websites is that there are Providers like github which will serve your website for free, no strings attached. Probably more than 99.99% uptime, unlimited bandwidth, unlimited storage (but, as I noted limited size of files).

    OK, now back to your question about creating this kind of website.
    Right now the tools are bit out of reach for technical newbies because today's tools typically assume a deeper knowledge of client-side web technology which can also be pretty dazzling and no longer requires server-side processing.
    After installing the static web page creator, you'll also likely want to find and install at least one template as well, as always it's easier to start with some basics already in place instead of creating everything from scratch.

    This new category and generation of website creators is called a "static web generator."
    It's generally only a fairly bare framework of file structure, but it keeps everything organized and easily maintained. To create a new page(s) or modify content, you just make your changes in a text editor (GUI tools aren't used often) and upload.
    As I described, you can use your choice of text editor which can be vim or Kate or Leafpad or whatever. An extremely popular cross platform choice is Sublime (originated on the Mac, available now on Linux, too).

    Jekyll is probably the most popular static web generator due its standard use and support on github, but it's by far not the only one. See the following websites for lists and descriptions of different choices
    https://www.staticgen.com/
    https://staticsitegenerators.net/

    Before closing this post, I'll also mention that although HTTP is the legacy and universal standard, Markdown is generally supported across all static web generators as well which many newer website coders might find more intuitive and faster to write.

    HTH,
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    If you're not in the mod of learning some html, css etc... why not use worpress or joomal ? (I'm mentioning this ones) because you could easily find nice and free layouts, or even very cheap ones, responsive, social "ready", etc...

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    Maybe the place to start is to draw up your own list of desired features first... eg
    - WYSIWYG?
    - Lots of buttons and toolbars? Or, the ability to type and modify the tags yourself?
    - Are you building from scratch (so might like to use templates and frameworks) or are you simply modifying existing pages?
    - What kinds of frameworks might you want to use? - There are general purpose frameworks that provide lots of general purpose special functionality like jQuery.
    - Are you building SPA (Single Page Applications) or multi-page websites?
    - What kinds of scripting code do you want to work with? Almost the whole world uses javascript to some extent but websites can be written using every coding language in existence. If you want to work with only straight HTML, you also need to specify whether you are building HTML4.5 or HTML5.


    The questions above try to be a bit light on the technology but may still be beyond many. You can also create a list of very non-technical requirements, like
    - Are you modifying only existing or creating new pages?
    - What kind of content do you want to serve and is there a purpose and objectives(non-technical)? There is a big difference setting up a static website, interactive, streaming, file serving, wiki, blog, private or public, etc.
    - Will a mashup of webcontent from multiple social media websites be a solution? Many of them already have easy to use website tools.
    - Maybe you might consider a Web Framework that supports plugin modules? In this case, someone else writes the code, then sells or contributes the module to the community as something you just add to your website. No coding and minimal final configuration is usually required. This option is for the truly HTML illiterate, because almost all the work is simply picking and choosing, no code writing. Setting up might require some special knowledge, but after that you might not have to touch a line of code. Wikipedia lists a number of these
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ent_frameworks

    If you have questions about any of the above, you can post about which.

    At the Dev meetings I go to, popular tools people use are
    - Sublime
    - Web Storm
    - MS tools (on Windows)

    Also note that the default text editors that are included in openSUSE typically have some minimal coding features added already, like highlighting, and may support plugins that extend their capability as code editors in various languages.

    TSU

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    Personally I just use Kate
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    I use Quanta (FWIW, and to me it's worth a lot).
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    On 11/30/2014 05:46 AM, swerdna wrote:
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    > I use Quanta (FWIW, and to me it's worth a lot).
    >
    >

    thanks everyone for all the suggestions. My web site is not that
    complicated - I put out a personal newsletter that I snail mail out and
    send out by email on pdf, but I also want the same content to be
    accessible via the web, and not in pdf format. The pdf content consists
    of a narrative of the events that have gone on for the past few months,
    and a series of pictures to accompany the narrative. A blog post is
    really the best correlation, but I don't want it to be a blog because it
    is not as frequently updated as a blog should normally be, and I want to
    fit it into the pages and setup I have already completed over the past
    10 years or so. If I change my whole format to a blog, then setting up
    my new pages may be simpler, but the overall idea becomes more
    complicated (and I do have a blog that I keep separately from the
    website anyway).

    I am particularly wondering about Quanta, if you don't mind elaborating
    on it more. What is it you like about it, and do you have any problems
    running it in a kde4 environment?

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