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    Ext4 had critical bugs too..
    Exactly my point. Every new filesystem has them. That's why I prefer to stick with ext4, all important bugs for desktop users has been removed.
    Why take the risk again with a new filesystem?

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    btrfs has more features and potential.

    Even Red Hat advocates XFS over ext4 for some true enterprise level things.
    Which is to say that ext4 isn't suited for enterprise level tasks.
    I do believe that Btrfs has some advantages for professional use (servers). But why is that important for desktop users??

    A system adminstrator knows what he is doing when he formats a drive or installs an operating system. He knows how to uncheck ext4 and to check the checkbox for Btrfs during the Suse installation procedure.
    For desktop users it's another story. It's very tricky to set the default to Btrfs and use them as bug reporters...

    What I do understand from this is that Suse (and others!) prefer to let the desktop users try Btrfs and find bugs before they use it in their production systems.

    The only question is, how much confidence do you have in Btrfs.

    I have to admit, I'm an oldtime Suse user and I still remember the days that Suse used Reiserfs per default. A pitty that they didn't take over the development after Reiser killed his wife and ended up in jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogalthorp View Post
    My only real problem with btrfs is that by default it has snapper on which can consume more disk space then a uninformed person might expect. The default setting to date are too extreme for the average user that does not know it is happening. The default setting should be reduced and snapper should be optionally turned on by the user not on by default.

    I predict that if the current settings are used that the forum will be over run with out of disk space problems soon after 13.2 release. people will try it in small test partitions and boom run out of memory with the hidden snapper files. Madness I say, madness
    I certainly agree with this sentiment, and I anticipate the same problems.

    In addition, I expect a lot of hassles with fixing boot problems popping up on the forum.

    In my opinion, the installer should plainly offer a choice between ext4 and BTRFS, with brief explanations of what to expect, and perhaps warnings to novices about the consequences of the choices.
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    On 2014-09-25 09:56, Teuniz wrote:

    > What I do understand from this is that Suse (and others!) prefer to let
    > the desktop users try Btrfs and find bugs before they use it in their
    > production systems.


    I would not be surprised to see SLE 12 use btrfs as default.

    And actually, it does:

    http://www.enterprisetech.com/2014/0...2-enters-beta/

    Among the features coming in SLES 12 is a new way to do full system
    snapshots and rollback to reduce planned downtime during upgrades

    https://www.suse.com/releasenotes/x8...endent.Storage

    With SUSE Linux Enterprise 12, Btrfs is the default file system for the
    operating system, xfs is the default for all other use cases. We also
    continue to support the Ext-family of file systems, Reiserfs and ocfs2.
    Each file system offers disctinct advantages. Customers are advised to
    use the YaST partitioner (or AutoYaST) to build their systems: YaST will
    prepare the Btrfs file system for use with subvolumes and snapshots.
    Snapshots will be automatically enabled for the root file system using
    SUSE's snapper infrastructure. For more information about snapper, its
    integration into ZYpp and YaST, and the YaST snapper module, see the
    SUSE Linux Enterprise documentation.



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    On 2014-09-25 09:56, Teuniz wrote:
    > I have to admit, I'm an oldtime Suse user and I still remember the days
    > that Suse used Reiserfs per default. A pitty that they didn't take over
    > the development after Reiser killed his wife and ended up in jail.


    It was a risk they took, promote and use reiserfs as default before it
    was in upstream kernel. And there were some serious bugs. I once had to
    rebuild from backup due to one.

    ...which may be the reason that they now require a feature to
    be in mainstream kernel before providing it.

    Nevertheless, it is my preferred filesystem. And yes, a pity indeed they
    did not keep /really/ supporting it (they do nominally).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjcox View Post
    btrfs has more features and potential.
    I agree with that. However, that potential is not easily accessible at present. It will need changes in other software to make it more readily available.

    I'll stay with "ext4" until some of those changes are in place.
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    I t took me 23 tries (no this is not a joke) in Factory 13.2 to try to install in my old 12 years old PC 32-bit I586. Brtfs /. XFS /home. Oh yes we had fun home here. Later Beta1 13.2.

    Who will understand the setup screens of Brtfs?




    How interesting was is to have ext4 succelfull installed and booting up incl win OS on the disk. -It was a w-o-w.

    I would say that it is a shame to propose whatever filesystem (ext4) funktioned.

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    I understand the benefits of BTRFS for servers and for those possibly those with RAID setups. I really do not understand the benefits for the average desktop/laptop user. I did quite a bit of research and did some benchmarks on opeSUSE 13.2 beta 1. No performance increase for me.
    I loved reiserfs too.

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    As usual.. systemd is a part.. Problem. SLED/SLES 13Xn are causing problems in openSUSE 13.1 and upcomming 13.2 whit he btrfs as default choice.

    http://www.golem.de/news/lennart-poe...09-108941.html

    For those that not read German google translate may do it.

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    On 2014-09-30 00:06, tweakhound wrote:
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    > I understand the benefits of BTRFS for servers and for those possibly
    > those with RAID setups. I really do not understand the benefits for the
    > average desktop/laptop user.


    I do.

    See one of my previous posts, it explains why the interest.

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