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    Default P2P IP Camera recommendations wrt software and hardware ?

    This request for information could be in many forum areas - but in the end I decided to place it here under 'applications'.

    I'm pondering the purchase of a P2P IP Camera. For those who don't know, my understanding is these tend to be sort of like a stand-alone security webcam, that plugs into one's network directly (using wireless and/or 10baseT wired eithernet). The cameras are typically remotely controllable , such that they can possibly zoom, and also rotate in looking. People often use such a camera internal to their house, for monitoring the baby's room, etc .... ie this is not an ordinary webcam.

    I'm curious if our membership have any suggestions wrt Linux applications that can use such a camera's features ? I think nominally one simply uses a browser to access such a camera, but I'm not sure. I also know there are Android applications designed for accessing and remotely controlling such a device.

    And in addition to the 'applications' are there any members who have a recommendation for the P2P IP camera hardware ? I'm pretty much convinced to spend no more than 100-euros (as I plan to buy this mainly to teach myself some things).

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    Default Re: P2P IP Camera recommendations wrt software and hardware ?

    For an application (in addition to a regular browser) I am currently considering ZoneMinder which is packaged for openSUSE.

    And as an entry level P2P IP camera with reasonable features/value-for the money, I pondering a Foscam FI9821W V2 (although I note there are also MANY nice P2P IP cams available).

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    Default Re: P2P IP Camera recommendations wrt software and hardware ?

    On 2014-08-02 18:36, oldcpu wrote:

    > People often use such a camera internal to their house, for
    > monitoring the baby's room, etc ....


    I forgot to mention, about regulations. In my country, the regulations
    are strict if the things record the images, but not so if they just
    /display/. Most baby-watch cameras can not record at all.

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    Default Re: P2P IP Camera recommendations wrt software and hardware ?

    On 2014-08-02 18:36, oldcpu wrote:

    > I'm curious if our membership have any suggestions wrt Linux
    > applications that can use such a camera's features ? I think nominally
    > one simply uses a browser to access such a camera, but I'm not sure.


    You are right, some/many do.

    I don't remember the brand name, but one type I tried absolutely
    required the browser to be iexplorer, so they would not work at all with
    Linux. Not even Firefox in Windows. I don't remember now if they were
    using activex... so be careful with the specifications.

    I

    > And in addition to the 'applications' are there any members who have a
    > recommendation for the P2P IP camera hardware ? I'm pretty much
    > convinced to spend no more than 100-euros (as I plan to buy this mainly
    > to teach myself some things).


    Even if the cameras are inside the house, there may be regulations. In
    my country, they have to be registered with the police and the data
    protection agency - because they can "accidentally" record someone that
    "happens" to be inside your house, like a visitor or a thief.

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    Default Re: P2P IP Camera recommendations wrt software and hardware ?

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    I don't remember the brand name, but one type I tried absolutely required the browser to be iexplorer, so they would not work at all with Linux. Not even Firefox in Windows. I don't remember now if they were using activex... so be careful with the specifications.
    That's good advice. I read, for example, that Tenvis IP ROBOT 3 does not play well with iOS nor with GNU/Linux. I have read of GNU/Linux users using the Foscam F1I9821W and there are guides on using GNU/Linux Zone Minder with Foscam cameras.

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    Even if the cameras are inside the house, there may be regulations. In my country, they have to be registered with the police and the data protection agency - because they can "accidentally" record someone that
    "happens" to be inside your house, like a visitor or a thief.
    Thanks for the heads up. I'll look in to this. It surprises me a bit that there would be regulations, but fair enough. Regulations, if in place, need to be determined and followed.

    These are the sort of things that I want to learn - which is why I plan to proceed here.

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    Default Re: P2P IP Camera recommendations wrt software and hardware ?

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    I don't remember the brand name, but one type I tried absolutely
    required the browser to be iexplorer, so they would not work at all with
    Linux. Not even Firefox in Windows. I don't remember now if they were
    using activex... so be careful with the specifications.
    Further to this, and indeed noting this is good advice, most long-in-the-tooth GNU/Linux users (where possibly I fall in to that category) are used to having to research for GNU/Linux compatibility prior to any computer related hardware purchase. In the case of the FI9821W that I am considering, I note this article http://www.digitaltrends.com/photogr...eras/#!bugX13:
    The Foscam FI9821W Black Wireless IP Camera .... is the company’s latest 720p HD IP camera. It is also their first camera to sport Foscam’s brand new web interface, allowing all features to be compatible with every standard browser on the market, including Chrome, Firefox, and Safari.
    I do want to make a cautionary statement wrt anything I may be leaning toward installing (as an application) and my buying for IP camera hardware. Some years back I purchased an expensive Logitech webcam that I am very happy with. I've used this webcam mainly for Skype and the occasional home-brewed (for a small group of friends) podcast. I posted on the openSUSE forum I was happy with it and that it worked well. Unfortunately a user with different requirements from me, purchased the same webcam and was very unhappy with it because it did not have the 'infinity' focus they wanted. They then jumped on the thread I started noting their unhappiness. They wanted the webcam to look outdoors and obtain HD quality images of what was happening there, and that was NOT my requirement. So please, for anyone reading this thread, if I end up purchasing IP-camera-X, do NOT purchase the same IP camera unless your needs are 100% identical to mine. And even then, do NOT purchase the same IP-Camera blindly. Read up on the IP-Camera, go to the IP-Camera specific forums and ask questions, and study yourself and come to your own conclusions INDEPENDENT of mine. I do NOT want to feel responsible for someone else's disappointment.
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    Default Re: P2P IP Camera recommendations wrt software and hardware ?

    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    I have read of GNU/Linux users using the Foscam F1I9821W and there are guides on using GNU/Linux Zone Minder with Foscam cameras.
    I'm wading through the Amazon reviews on the FI9821W. Its heavy going due to massive size ( > 500 reviews - some good - some bad). I did learn that the FI9821W V2 does not currently have a compatible plugin for Firefox or Chrome on Mac OSX. I assume that also means no such plugin for GNU/Linux. What that means to me is to obtain access to full features on my GNU/Linux PC I likely would need to use my WinXP (which is running in VirtualBox) or use Firefox/Chrome from my GNU/Linux with only some of the features available.

    On the subject of applications, I learned it may be possible to stream the camera's video to VLC, although I can not vouch for that, NOR even dream of helping anyone in that regard since I am simply at the application research stage now prior to any purchase. So please for anyone other than myself reading this thread - no questions to me, as I am the one here trying to learn. :-)

    I'm a bit taken back by how many users (on the Amazon site) are upset because an IP camera does not work as they expected when they are using the camera for things which I doubt it was designed for. One user complained it could not be used to record hours of a classroom lecture. Another complained it did not work well out doors (there are specific different cameras designed to work out doors). ... etc ....

    Experience (lack there of) with port forwarding appears to a major issue for a number of users who can not monitor remotely.

    If nothing else, the research has been educational thus far.
    Last edited by oldcpu; 03-Aug-2014 at 03:21.

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    Default Re: P2P IP Camera recommendations wrt software and hardware ?

    How about ZoneMinder + a supported device? ( http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index...atibility_List )

    Ah you already had it up there - missed it. Not enough coffee today.. need to make more :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    I'm wading through the Amazon reviews on the FI9821W. Its heavy going due to massive size ( > 500 reviews - some good - some bad). I did learn that the FI9821W V2 does not currently have a compatible plugin for Firefox or Chrome on Mac OSX. I assume that also means no such plugin for GNU/Linux. What that means to me is to obtain access to full features on my GNU/Linux PC I likely would need to use my WinXP (which is running in VirtualBox) or use Firefox/Chrome from my GNU/Linux with only some of the features available.
    As expected when I started this - the information available is a bit contradictory. I found one GNU/Linux user on Amazon complain that the Foscam FI9821W did not work with GNU/Linux with any browser (while same user noted Foscam FI9810 did work). Then I found a web site here and web site here which note Foscam cameras can be setup on any OS (ie works with GNU/Linux) without having to resort to using the browser plugins. .... It may take time for me to flush out who is right and who is wrong (and likely both are right - with some qualifications).

    EDIT: Those may in fact just be commercial advertisement pages - so they may not be accurate. I recommend disregarding those links for now. I will delete them (with my mod permissions) if I confirm that to be the case.
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    Default Re: P2P IP Camera recommendations wrt software and hardware ?

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    Even if the cameras are inside the house, there may be regulations. In my country, they have to be registered with the police and the data protection agency - because they can "accidentally" record someone that
    "happens" to be inside your house, like a visitor or a thief.
    I researched this, and as near as I can tell in Germany, if the IP camera is only looking inside my apartment, it is perfectly legal. However if it is looking outside my apartment to a public area, then a permit may be required < not sure > . Since I intend to use this for surveillance inside my apartment (pointed a the door/entrance), I don't see a problem currently. Plus, I don't really plan to set this up for any permanent internal surveillance, but rather I am just trying to teach myself about technical issues, and learn a bit about 'requirements' through some basic experience.

    Given both my wife and I are the only ones who live in our apartment, and given we will both have access to the data (ie for oversight), from what I can deduce there is no moral issue. Possibly the only issue might be recording when visitors enter our apartment. My current plan is to stop any recordings at those times.

    Hence I'm satisfied for now wrt reglations and I am going to go back to focussing on the technical.

    Speaking of which, the older Foscam FI9810W gets good comments on GNU/Linux compatibility. And while it is much less capable than the FI9821W and FI9826W, given I am interested in learning, I may go with that less capable FI9810W.

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