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    Default Re: Simply does not work and freezes/shuts down unexpectedly

    On 2014-07-24 13:46, NoGeek wrote:

    > I meant openSuSE 11.0, the obsolete version, sorry for confusing you.
    > The reason for that is that 11.4 was the last verified version for the
    > DELL Latidute D830,


    Ah.

    Well, unknown to many people, openSUSE 11.4 is still supported :-)

    It is supported not by SUSE, but by the Evergreen project. It is a
    limited support, and will not be for long, but the repositories are
    still there, and some are still maintained. You have a better chance of
    getting drivers and such with that old release than with other old releases.

    https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime
    https://en.opensuse.org/Evergreen
    openSUSE:Evergreen

    > but the DVD with that version was damaged by an very
    > technophobic rabbit (I asked her not to chew on my stuff, but she simply


    LOL.

    Well, you can download it again - unless it was a specific DVD with DELL
    stuff for your machine. Some machines do come out with Linux installed,
    and they often have specific drivers that are not available "outside".
    If that were the case, it would explain why your machine is so problematic.


    On the other hand.

    Linux people are making a big effort at getting things like Nvidia cards
    working natively, without the proprietary drivers. The current open
    driver is called Nouveau. The chances of success here with any card are
    bigger the more recent the distribution is, so I would try 13.1 for that
    road (nouveau).


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    Default Re: Simply does not work and freezes/shuts down unexpectedly

    Big hole in plan

    moving more then one version at a time can lead to trouble. Getting all the installs across such a huge gap may be difficult and doing the updates required to move to next version will be nearly impossible

    You did not mention what desktop but in any case the desktops and thus the configs for said desktops has changed hugely in the 11.0 to 13.1 period so it is questionable that you will be able to keep your desktop configuration and will have to redo it at some point.

    IMO you should make a list of the important programs do a fresh install of 13.1 keeping your home. Install the important programs. If you miss any it does not take a lot to install from yast. Note you may need to redo the desktop configs but you can keep all your data.

    But if you like problems then the course you set will keep you busy LOL

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    Default Re: Simply does not work and freezes/shuts down unexpectedly

    On 2014-07-24 20:16, gogalthorp wrote:
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    > Big hole in plan
    >
    > moving more then one version at a time can lead to trouble. Getting all
    > the installs across such a huge gap may be difficult and doing the
    > updates required to move to next version will be nearly impossible


    That is true.

    I do such things often, but... well, I have some expertise ;-)

    11.4 + Evergreen to 13.1 is doable in one step via offline upgrade
    method. Easy it aint, though.

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    Default Re: Simply does not work and freezes/shuts down unexpectedly

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    Well, unknown to many people, openSUSE 11.4 is still supported :-)

    It is supported not by SUSE, but by the Evergreen project. It is a
    limited support, and will not be for long, but the repositories are
    still there, and some are still maintained. You have a better chance of
    getting drivers and such with that old release than with other old releases.

    https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime
    https://en.opensuse.org/Evergreen
    openSUSE:Evergreen
    Well, Once again a thousand thanks to you, those links were very helpful!

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    Well, you can download it again - unless it was a specific DVD with DELL
    stuff for your machine. Some machines do come out with Linux installed,
    and they often have specific drivers that are not available "outside".
    If that were the case, it would explain why your machine is so problematic.
    No, this DELL is originally only available with Windows XP or 2000. It was one of the full Distros from the Archive.

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    Linux people are making a big effort at getting things like Nvidia cards
    working natively, without the proprietary drivers. The current open
    driver is called Nouveau. The chances of success here with any card are
    bigger the more recent the distribution is, so I would try 13.1 for that
    road (nouveau).
    I am quite sure that 13.1 has lots of improvements and eventually I will get there. As far as I can see the nouveau driver is part of the 11.x versions. However according to some Dr. Google results it is not ideal for this specific piece of *insert bad wording here* GPU.
    Once I am on the 13.1 version I will figure out how to replace the respective drivers and test both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogalthorp View Post
    Big hole in plan

    moving more then one version at a time can lead to trouble. Getting all the installs across such a huge gap may be difficult and doing the updates required to move to next version will be nearly impossible

    You did not mention what desktop but in any case the desktops and thus the configs for said desktops has changed hugely in the 11.0 to 13.1 period so it is questionable that you will be able to keep your desktop configuration and will have to redo it at some point.

    IMO you should make a list of the important programs do a fresh install of 13.1 keeping your home. Install the important programs. If you miss any it does not take a lot to install from yast. Note you may need to redo the desktop configs but you can keep all your data.

    But if you like problems then the course you set will keep you busy LOL
    Thanks for the hint to the holes in my plan. I guess it will be Evergreen (11.4) for a while on the Notebook (should work perfectly fine).
    The desktop is/will be KDE - so you are right many progressive changes.
    In the 11.0 I have installed I opted for the KDE 4 Beta. I think that this would be the less changes during the upgrades (I understand that KDE is still on Version 4 (4.13?), so this shouldn't have too big an impact in my progression?

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    Default Re: Simply does not work and freezes/shuts down unexpectedly

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    I do such things often, but... well, I have some expertise ;-)

    11.4 + Evergreen to 13.1 is doable in one step via offline upgrade
    method. Easy it aint, though.
    Well, I am currently building up my expertise ;-)
    And I learned from a very popular German children's book called Momo (now it's out, I am a reader and an old one on top):
    "One stroke/step at a time"

    So if Migration from 11.x to 13.x is doable but not as easy, then I think I stick with the plan of getting to 11.4 Evergreen running and then (if the Notebook still exists) at the end of this version support I'll go on to 12.1-13.2 in small little steps

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    Default Re: Simply does not work and freezes/shuts down unexpectedly

    On 2014-07-25 10:26, NoGeek wrote:
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    > robin_listas;2655663 Wrote:


    >> https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime
    >> https://en.opensuse.org/Evergreen
    >> ' openSUSE:Evergreen' (https://en.opensuse.org/Evergreen)

    >
    > Well, Once again a thousand thanks to you, those links were very
    > helpful!


    Welcome :-)


    > No, this DELL is originally only available with Windows XP or 2000. It
    > was one of the full Distros from the Archive.


    Ah, then I'd recommend you download the 11.4 full dvd iso (not the
    kde/gnome lives), and install that. You can download it from

    http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.4

    I would use the metalink method, but I'm unsure it is still acctive for
    this version, and I can not check - today I'm on a 1 GB/month internet cap.

    >
    > robin_listas;2655665 Wrote:
    >>
    >> Linux people are making a big effort at getting things like Nvidia cards
    >> working natively, without the proprietary drivers. The current open
    >> driver is called Nouveau. The chances of success here with any card are
    >> bigger the more recent the distribution is, so I would try 13.1 for that
    >> road (nouveau).

    >
    > I am quite sure that 13.1 has lots of improvements and eventually I will
    > get there. As far as I can see the nouveau driver is part of the 11.x
    > versions. However according to some Dr. Google results it is not ideal
    > for this specific piece of *insert bad wording here* GPU.
    > Once I am on the 13.1 version I will figure out how to replace the
    > respective drivers and test both.


    Well, the chances with nouveau are way better with 13.1 than with 11.4.
    Yes, it has been available for some time, but they improve it from month
    to month. A few years make a huge difference.

    Yet... there are some cards that are badly supported.


    Replacing the included nouveau driver is not easy at all. I wouldn't
    know how to do it, it is an integral part of the kernel, I believe.

    The proprietary driver, on the other hand, is installed separately, but
    it is designed for a certain kernel version range. An inadequate one and
    it will not build (install).


    On 2014-07-25 10:46, NoGeek wrote:
    > robin_listas;2655673 Wrote:


    > So if Migration from 11.x to 13.x is doable but not as easy, then I
    > think I stick with the plan of getting to 11.4 Evergreen running and
    > then (if the Notebook still exists) at the end of this version support
    > I'll go on to 12.1-13.2 in small little steps


    Ok, the problem is that the upgrade can fail and force you to reinstall
    from scratch, leaving you at point one. My general recommendation is to
    make a full backup prior to attempting upgrade (or reinstall for that
    matter), a backup good enough to recover in case of total disaster.

    So till we know why openSUSE is so difficult to install on your machine,
    and considering that we don't know if 13.1 runs, the upgrade is high risk.

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    Carlos E. R.

    (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))

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    Default Re: Simply does not work and freezes/shuts down unexpectedly

    Quote Originally Posted by gogalthorp View Post
    IMO you should make a list of the important programs do a fresh install of 13.1
    Oh, yes.

    Absolutely agreed.

    Use the DVD installer for 13.1, but do not allow updates while installing.

    Once installed and you are running from the installed system, then do your updates from Yast Updater.

    I have found this method to be the least problematic.

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    Default Re: Simply does not work and freezes/shuts down unexpectedly

    So, installed 13.1 (no updates) and got problem again. Started a new threat for the new issues. Thanks for your help everyone!

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