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    i say HELL NO to dumming down the installer.

    openSUSE's installer is the best installer out of all the distro's IMO.

    So many choices and far easier to set up more complicated partition setups than just your typical (swap, / , /home ) setup.

    With region and keyboard layout, it automatically finds this information if you're connected to the internet during the install.
    So most of the time you just have to click next and that's it.

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    Default Re: openSUSE - The Way Forward

    Quote Originally Posted by cra1g321 View Post
    i say HELL NO to dumming down the installer.
    It's not dumbing down, it's giving people with less technical knowledge an easier way to install the operating system without confusing them with "BTFRS FW LVM OMFG BBQ" and just using "These are sensible defaults" and letting people with more knowledge customize the install to their liking.
    .: miuku @ #opensuse @ irc.libera.chat

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    On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 21:06:01 +0000, Miuku wrote:

    > cra1g321;2657558 Wrote:
    >> i say HELL NO to dumming down the installer.

    > It's not dumbing down, it's giving people with less technical knowledge
    > an easier way to install the operating system without confusing them
    > with "BTFRS FW LVM OMFG BBQ" and just using "These are sensible
    > defaults" and letting people with more knowledge customize the install
    > to their liking.


    The installer does that pretty much now.

    For those who want more control, you can tweak things at the end of the
    selections right before the installation starts.

    Sure, you get prompted for which filesystem you want - but the default
    selection is the sensible selection, so those who don't know what to do
    should just go with the defaults - or come here and ask questions.

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    The installer isn't exactly difficult to use, and as hendersj said it often picks a decent defaults.

    I think if someone struggles with the installer, then they are installing something that they first should of gained some basic understanding of.

    I don't think the installer is over-complicated compared to other installers,

    i think it does a excellent job of keeping things simple (automatically choosing correct settings and providing a good partition scheme) while also giving options for power-user's to do more tweaking to the installation.

    For example on the partition part of the installer, it automatically picks a good partition scheme, a typical user can just check this then hit Next,
    while a power-user can just go to "edit partition setup" or "create partition setup" and do everything manually or tweak the partition scheme.

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    On 2014-08-05 00:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
    > On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 21:06:01 +0000, Miuku wrote:
    >
    >> cra1g321;2657558 Wrote:
    >>> i say HELL NO to dumming down the installer.

    >> It's not dumbing down, it's giving people with less technical knowledge
    >> an easier way to install the operating system without confusing them
    >> with "BTFRS FW LVM OMFG BBQ" and just using "These are sensible
    >> defaults" and letting people with more knowledge customize the install
    >> to their liking.

    >
    > The installer does that pretty much now.
    >
    > For those who want more control, you can tweak things at the end of the
    > selections right before the installation starts.



    But there are choices that should be done right at the start, before the
    automatics decide what packages to install, or what partitions to
    create. Like installing for a laptop or a desktop.

    Doing that type of customization is complex.

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    On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 23:48:10 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

    > On 2014-08-05 00:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
    >> On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 21:06:01 +0000, Miuku wrote:
    >>
    >>> cra1g321;2657558 Wrote:
    >>>> i say HELL NO to dumming down the installer.
    >>> It's not dumbing down, it's giving people with less technical
    >>> knowledge an easier way to install the operating system without
    >>> confusing them with "BTFRS FW LVM OMFG BBQ" and just using "These are
    >>> sensible defaults" and letting people with more knowledge customize
    >>> the install to their liking.

    >>
    >> The installer does that pretty much now.
    >>
    >> For those who want more control, you can tweak things at the end of the
    >> selections right before the installation starts.

    >
    >
    > But there are choices that should be done right at the start, before the
    > automatics decide what packages to install, or what partitions to
    > create. Like installing for a laptop or a desktop.
    >
    > Doing that type of customization is complex.


    And for a user who doesn't know what to do, the defaults are sane
    defaults in the majority of cases.

    Jim



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    Default Re: openSUSE - The Way Forward

    On 2014-08-05 03:11, Jim Henderson wrote:
    > On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 23:48:10 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:



    >> Doing that type of customization is complex.

    >
    > And for a user who doesn't know what to do, the defaults are sane
    > defaults in the majority of cases.


    Except on the case I mention: the DVD doing a desktop type install on a
    laptop, for instance.

    Hibernation should be configured, tools and applets for conserving
    battery...

    Or the other way round, getting laptop mode tools installed on a
    desktop, because the installation thinks it detected a laptop.


    Or people getting that kernel that is really optimized for a server, on
    a desktop, so that responsibility is slower (interrupt timer frequency,
    mostly).


    I really think that the installation should have a clickable place
    somewhere to choose the machine type and installation type, and not
    requiring expert mode to reach them. Out of the way, yes. The setting
    does not exist at all, anyway... not even in advanced settings.

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    On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 03:38:09 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

    > Except on the case I mention: the DVD doing a desktop type install on a
    > laptop, for instance.
    >
    > Hibernation should be configured, tools and applets for conserving
    > battery...
    >
    > Or the other way round, getting laptop mode tools installed on a
    > desktop, because the installation thinks it detected a laptop.


    So open bugzilla entries for that. Carlos, you know how this is
    addressed in the openSUSE distro - and it's not by complaining to a group
    of non-developers.

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    A already good tread is even getting better after some input from experience users. No I'm judge at anyone .

    regards
    I'm shameless like others in the forum -was I to any help or made sense? If yes: click the on the star below to the left. Written whit a ;-) in my eye.

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    On 2014-08-05 18:00, Jim Henderson wrote:
    > On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 03:38:09 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:


    > So open bugzilla entries for that. Carlos, you know how this is
    > addressed in the openSUSE distro - and it's not by complaining to a group
    > of non-developers.


    And you think I did not? Tsk, tsk, you should know me better. ;-)

    (no, I was not complaining, I know this group has no power. I'm a user
    grumbling with fellow users.)



    The idea was declined by the people that "do it".


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