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    Quote Originally Posted by hendersj View Post
    On Sun, 25 May 2014 08:16:02 +0000, finders wrote:


    Because the maintainers decided that this was the way forward that met
    their design goals and needs.

    systemd is open source, so this really isn't a relevant point.

    *Obviously* SLES and RHEL are competing products. Asking these kinds of
    hyperbolic questions isn't likely to make anyone think you have a serious
    question here, but rather that you just want to "stir the pot".

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    SLED,SLES and RHEL? I stir the pot. Hyperbolic and do you want to challenge in math?
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    On Mon, 26 May 2014 20:26:01 +0000, jonte1 wrote:

    > SLED,SLES and RHEL?


    Yes, those are acronyms for Linux distributions. Beyond that, I have no
    clue what you're trying to communicate here.

    > I stir the pot. Hyperbolic and do you want to
    > challenge in math?
    > No pictures attached. Whit a risc.


    I've no idea what you're trying to say here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendersj View Post
    On Sun, 25 May 2014 08:16:02 +0000, finders wrote:

    > So I am now struggling to find a reason why openSUSE has enforced
    > systemd and ignored everything else.


    Because the maintainers decided that this was the way forward that met
    their design goals and needs. You might review the discussions on the
    developer mailing list archives at the time the decision was made.

    > Especially because systemd comes from Red Hat who publicly stated
    > they've no intention of supporting competitor products.


    systemd is open source, so this really isn't a relevant point.

    > Is SUSE product, the downstream of openSUSE project, not a competitor of
    > RHEL anymore?


    *Obviously* SLES and RHEL are competing products. Asking these kinds of
    hyperbolic questions isn't likely to make anyone think you have a serious
    question here, but rather that you just want to "stir the pot".

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    If I wanted to ask serious questions I would have posted outside of soapbox area.

    And I did previously check the factory mailing lists, but couldn't find anything about eudev or busybox.
    All I found is a factory sysvinit repo, from one of the maintainers, which isn't built for 13.1
    If the integration was done the same way as pulseaudio, I would not have posted at all.
    I would've just uninstall it and use an alternative init, which doesn't tell me what to do, but instead does what it's told to do.
    It is unfortunate I need to change distro to get rid of it, but you left me no choice.
    Might be worth mentioning that I actually liked openSUSE, and would still use it today if it weren't for this ultimatum.

    So, with all do respect, if you don't want me to "strir the pot" you can easily remove my profile.
    I'm serious, just guest the account and consider the problem solved. Thanks, and farewell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consused View Post
    No. openSUSE and Red Hat are competitors, but that's a sort of red herring wrt this issue. It might be more relevant that openSUSE tends go where Fedora goes on new developments, and Fedora was the first adopter with systemd as default.
    Checking back I notice a typo error in my post (#4), i.e. it should have read "SUSE (with SLE) and Red Hat are competitors".
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    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On 2014-05-25 18:36, BSDuser wrote:
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    > While I love a good rant, like everyone, since it reminds me of the
    > joke, "is this a private fight, or can anyone get into it?", why would a
    > typical user
    > care whether or not Linux uses the older Unix style Sysvinit, or this
    > newer systemd? What subtleties am I missing here?


    well... for instance, you umount manually a partition, and systemd
    decides that it should be mounted, and mounts it again. This is a change
    in behaviour, and their devs argue that it is correct.

    yet it breaks things...

    This one got corrected in 13.1, I think.


    So the answer for a typical user is that a user would not care, except
    when things that worked stop working, and he has to work around to get
    them working again.


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    Thanks for the info - I tend not to think much about these types of things. It does pique my interest in a more general question -
    why was the older system no longer useful? And why would the suse organization feel the need to change? Was the older system not working right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BSDuser View Post
    It does pique my interest in a more general question - why was the older system no longer useful? And why would the suse organization feel the need to change? Was the older system not working right?
    Developers need to develop new toys or they get bored, rusty, and have to look for new hobbies.

    Without new developments, there would be no new release of openSUSE, then regular users would get bored, complain, and look for other distros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by consused View Post
    Developers need to develop new toys or they get bored, rusty, and have to look for new hobbies.

    Without new developments, there would be no new release of openSUSE, then regular users would get bored, complain, and look for other distros.
    The banality of openSUSE is showing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BSDuser View Post
    The banality of openSUSE is showing?
    Only in the general sense that "development" or "change" is commonplace in most (if not all) "projects". Otherwise it would be "business as usual" with ongoing operational maintenance. Normally projects end if there is no further development required, or enter an implementation phase that could also be a new and separate implementation project.

    To build a new release, openSUSE mostly interacts with and relies on upstream projects for new developments. How many distros actually develop and maintain brand new software in-house? I don't know, but my guess is not many (e.g. Fedora, Ubuntu..).

    Downstream, SUSE relies on openSUSE to research and bed in new potential components for its commercial products. That's not commonplace among Linux distros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by consused View Post
    Developers need to develop new toys or they get bored, rusty, and have to look for new hobbies.

    Without new developments, there would be no new release of openSUSE, then regular users would get bored, complain, and look for other distros.
    My, my, just a trifle cynical?
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    Quote Originally Posted by caprus View Post
    My, my, just a trifle cynical?
    Well cynical or not, in 20+ posts so far, none have actually answered the call of "struggling to find a reason why openSUSE has enforced systemd" in post #1.
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