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    Quote Originally Posted by BSDuser View Post
    What subtleties am I missing here?
    With 13.1, there is now a systemd user process. It stays there when you logout. It messes up the session count, so that an "ecryptfs" private directory is not unmounted at logout.

    The systemd user process seems to be involved with authentication (maybe with communication with policy kit). And it sometime seems that authentication stops working when there is a systemd update.

    Maybe these problems will eventually be ironed out.

    On a different front, I have ubuntu 14.04 in a separate partition. Startup and shutdown are a lot faster. Ubuntu is not using systemd. One of the early arguments for systemd was that it would give faster startup and shutdown.
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    No comment.

    Except:

    systemd still clogs the tmp directories with a manure-truckload of empty directories, refusing to clean up after itself.

    It reminds me of someone having to follow along with shovels behind the Calgary Stampede parade!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraser_Bell View Post
    systemd still clogs the tmp directories with a manure-truckload of empty directories, refusing to clean up after itself.
    I'm not seeing that with 13.1, but it was a problem with 12.3.

    Maybe I am cleaning them up with "/etc/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf", but that didn't help in 12.3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraser_Bell View Post
    No comment.

    Except:

    systemd still clogs the tmp directories with a manure-truckload of empty directories, refusing to clean up after itself.

    It reminds me of someone having to follow along with shovels behind the Calgary Stampede parade!

    In my mind, lazy programming, especially this long after it was introduced.
    In my mind to.. Maybe. Calgary Stampede parade! With all the bells and wissles witch make Europeans so hard to understand it. A truckload of manure?

    Calgary flames,
    Not to many of locals there and Lazy programming. Red Hat? Systemd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrickert View Post
    I'm not seeing that with 13.1, but it was a problem with 12.3.
    I'm seeing that (all those empty directories of systemd) with 13.1

    Quote Originally Posted by nrickert View Post
    Maybe I am cleaning them up with "/etc/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf", but that didn't help in 12.3.
    You don't sound very sure? How did you get a tmp.conf? My "/etc/tmpfiles.d" and "/etc/tmpdirs.d" are both empty. I upgraded from 12.3, so what are we missing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by consused View Post
    How did you get a tmp.conf? My "/etc/tmpfiles.d" and "/etc/tmpdirs.d" are both empty. I upgraded from 12.3, so what are we missing?
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    man tmpfiles.d
    I copied "tmp.conf" from "/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d", then edited it. I have it set to empty "/tmp" at bootup.

    I did the same for 12.3, but it did not clean up systemd-private directories. And it also filled "/var/tmp" with systemd-private directories. With 13.1, I am only seeing a single "systemd-private" directory in "/var/tmp", and it is from the current boot. Similarly for "/tmp", but my "tmp.conf" is supposed to clean up "/tmp" so I'm not sure what "systemd" would do without that cleanup.
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    On 2014-05-25 18:36, BSDuser wrote:
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    > While I love a good rant, like everyone, since it reminds me of the
    > joke, "is this a private fight, or can anyone get into it?", why would a
    > typical user
    > care whether or not Linux uses the older Unix style Sysvinit, or this
    > newer systemd? What subtleties am I missing here?


    well... for instance, you umount manually a partition, and systemd
    decides that it should be mounted, and mounts it again. This is a change
    in behaviour, and their devs argue that it is correct.

    yet it breaks things...

    This one got corrected in 13.1, I think.


    So the answer for a typical user is that a user would not care, except
    when things that worked stop working, and he has to work around to get
    them working again.


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    On 2014-05-25 20:46, Fraser Bell wrote:
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    > No comment.
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    > Except:
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    > systemd -*still*- clogs the tmp directories with a manure-truckload of
    > empty directories, refusing to clean up after itself.


    Because they argue that "/tmp" must reside in RAM. If a distribution
    doesn't, it has problems. They apparently design it to work their way,
    no variations allowed if they disagree with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrickert View Post
    Code:
    man tmpfiles.d
    I copied "tmp.conf" from "/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d", then edited it. I have it set to empty "/tmp" at bootup.

    I did the same for 12.3, but it did not clean up systemd-private directories. And it also filled "/var/tmp" with systemd-private directories. With 13.1, I am only seeing a single "systemd-private" directory in "/var/tmp", and it is from the current boot. Similarly for "/tmp", but my "tmp.conf" is supposed to clean up "/tmp" so I'm not sure what "systemd" would do without that cleanup.
    Aha, thanks for all that. I didn't even think of a "man page" for tmpfiles.d .
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    On Sun, 25 May 2014 08:16:02 +0000, finders wrote:

    > So I am now struggling to find a reason why openSUSE has enforced
    > systemd and ignored everything else.


    Because the maintainers decided that this was the way forward that met
    their design goals and needs. You might review the discussions on the
    developer mailing list archives at the time the decision was made.

    > Especially because systemd comes from Red Hat who publicly stated
    > they've no intention of supporting competitor products.


    systemd is open source, so this really isn't a relevant point.

    > Is SUSE product, the downstream of openSUSE project, not a competitor of
    > RHEL anymore?


    *Obviously* SLES and RHEL are competing products. Asking these kinds of
    hyperbolic questions isn't likely to make anyone think you have a serious
    question here, but rather that you just want to "stir the pot".

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