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    Default Can't update kernel

    On 13.1, got around to updating the repos that were messed up from last month or whatever, going through the updates with a lot of depedency resolution failed notifications but able to resolve them until i got to trying to install kernel update, error message: There is no update candidate for kernel-default-3.14.4-30.2.gbebeb6f.i586

    I've been looking and I can't seem to find any really straight forward info about this problem. I'm also basically a retard compared to the rest of you and not used to RPMs or linux so yeah. hopefully somehow i can get tumbleweed to work for a month or 2 solid or its go back to an old **** windows OS or hurl this laptop out a window like a discuss in a moment of frustration.

    thanks in advance

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    Default Re: Can't update kernel

    Quote Originally Posted by iceberg View Post
    On 13.1, got around to updating the repos that were messed up from last month or whatever, going through the updates with a lot of depedency resolution failed notifications but able to resolve them until i got to trying to install kernel update, error message: There is no update candidate for kernel-default-3.14.4-30.2.gbebeb6f.i586
    The recent kernel update was to 3.11.10-11. So you are well ahead of that. If the patch is giving you an error message, it is probably a flawed patch. I'd be inclined to ignore that and keep the kernel you are using.

    My opinion: if you are frustrated by problems such as this, then you should not be using Tumbleweed. You should stick to the regular release, which will be more stable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nrickert View Post
    The recent kernel update was to 3.11.10-11. So you are well ahead of that. If the patch is giving you an error message, it is probably a flawed patch. I'd be inclined to ignore that and keep the kernel you are using.

    My opinion: if you are frustrated by problems such as this, then you should not be using Tumbleweed. You should stick to the regular release, which will be more stable.
    Too late now I've got no desktop, i found a way to do all the updates but when i restarted it booted into the new kernel which has no desktop apparently...

    so now I have no idea how I can use my main laptop for anything short of formatting and reinstalling which I'd really not like to do.

    would've been nice to have a chance to know what the update would do, but.................. here I am. at least I have a second functional computer right now.

    it just boots to console

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    looking at it some more it seems to be a problem with nvidia drivers but i have no idea how to install the drivers and what files to use

    just tried all the safe mode options to see if i could boot to the desktop but nothing. the graphics thing fails and goes back to bottle

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    Your story telling is bitt confusing to me. Are you using Tumbleweed or not?
    When you are using Tumbleweed, your thread is at the wrong pllace. You should then ask in the Tumbleweed forum. That is where your fellow Tunbleweed users are.

    So please be specific and explain. When this should be moved to Tumbleweed, I can do that for you. Do not make a double post there, but ask for the move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hcvv View Post
    Your story telling is bitt confusing to me. Are you using Tumbleweed or not?
    When you are using Tumbleweed, your thread is at the wrong pllace. You should then ask in the Tumbleweed forum. That is where your fellow Tunbleweed users are.

    So please be specific and explain. When this should be moved to Tumbleweed, I can do that for you. Do not make a double post there, but ask for the move.
    thanks for the help.

    I can't boot to desktop so its kind of more of a problem than just with tumbleweed now.

    I could've just not done the update and waited til tomorrow to format and reinstall windows but this forum has led me to lock myself out of my own desktop and now this. Pretty cool.

    maybe someone could point me to a person who could give me some straight forward help so I could avoid having to format and lose all the data on that hd? I'd be willing to pay.

    otherwise I'm just gonna forget about opensuse completely because, as good as the OS is and as probably limited the issues are, this community doesn't work for people that aren't comp sci students apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceberg View Post
    I can't boot to desktop so its kind of more of a problem than just with tumbleweed now.
    Try to boot an older kernel ("Advanced Options") in the boot menu.

    If that doesn't work either, please describe the boot problem more detailed.

    You probably need to re-install the nvidia driver though.
    Or try to uninstall it.

    How did you install it in the first place? (via YaST/zypper or the .run file from the nvidia homepage?)

    I could've just not done the update and waited til tomorrow to format and reinstall windows but this forum has led me to lock myself out of my own desktop and now this. Pretty cool.
    Yeah, pretty cool.
    How did the _forum_ do that?

    otherwise I'm just gonna forget about opensuse completely because, as good as the OS is and as probably limited the issues are, this community doesn't work for people that aren't comp sci students apparently.
    Well, maybe you shouldn't use Tumbleweed in the first place, but the _stable_ openSUSE distribution? Especially if you use the nvidia driver.

    And the forum community does try to help non comp sci students as well.
    Actually those probably wouldn't need help anyway.
    Last edited by wolfi323; 22-May-2014 at 12:52.

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    Default Re: Can't update kernel

    On 2014-05-22 21:36, iceberg wrote:

    > I can't boot to desktop so its kind of more of a problem than just with
    > tumbleweed now.


    No, the problem is precisely that you appear to be using Tumbleweed, and
    you are not prepared to cope with it. You need some expertise to use
    such a version.

    Using Tumbleweed, you should know that some of the normal updates for
    13.1, like the kernel, you should not install them even if the system
    says that it wants to install it. A recent post explains how to inform
    the system to disregard those kernel updates.

    > maybe someone could point me to a person who could give me some straight
    > forward help so I could avoid having to format and lose all the data on
    > that hd? I'd be willing to pay.


    Take out the full installation DVD for 13.1, boot it, and choose
    "upgrade", not install. It should restore most of your system to the
    original 13.1.

    Then there will be more work to do.


    > otherwise I'm just gonna forget about opensuse completely because, as
    > good as the OS is and as probably limited the issues are, this community
    > doesn't work for people that aren't comp sci students apparently.


    Linux is complex. Either you learn, or you pay someone to do the
    administration of your computer. Here in the forums we are very happy to
    help everybody as best as we can, but it is /you/ who has to do things
    and be our eyes.


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    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.

    (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))

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    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On 2014-05-22 21:36, iceberg wrote:

    > I can't boot to desktop so its kind of more of a problem than just with
    > tumbleweed now.


    No, the problem is precisely that you appear to be using Tumbleweed, and
    you are not prepared to cope with it. You need some expertise to use
    such a version.

    Using Tumbleweed, you should know that some of the normal updates for
    13.1, like the kernel, you should not install them even if the system
    says that it wants to install it. A recent post explains how to inform
    the system to disregard those kernel updates.

    > maybe someone could point me to a person who could give me some straight
    > forward help so I could avoid having to format and lose all the data on
    > that hd? I'd be willing to pay.


    Take out the full installation DVD for 13.1, boot it, and choose
    "upgrade", not install. It should restore most of your system to the
    original 13.1.

    Then there will be more work to do.


    > otherwise I'm just gonna forget about opensuse completely because, as
    > good as the OS is and as probably limited the issues are, this community
    > doesn't work for people that aren't comp sci students apparently.


    Linux is complex. Either you learn, or you pay someone to do the
    administration of your computer. Here in the forums we are very happy to
    help everybody as best as we can, but it is /you/ who has to do things
    and be our eyes.


    --
    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.

    (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))
    Would've been nice to hear about that before I had to use Tumbleweed.

    No warning was ever made anywhere that I saw which I'm now getting after basically giving myself this totally unnecessary problem.


    What would I need to do after doing the upgrade option? Is it anything that I won't be "prepared to cope with"? Any things I'd "need to know" if that's not the case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceberg View Post
    Would've been nice to hear about that before I had to use Tumbleweed.
    ???
    Why did you _have_ to use Tumbleweed?

    No warning was ever made anywhere that I saw which I'm now getting after basically giving myself this totally unnecessary problem.
    The Tumbleweed page (http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed) explicitely states:
    Due to the Linux kernel being updated very frequently, users who rely on proprietary graphic drivers should not use the Tumbleweed repository unless they are familiar with updating these drivers from source on their own. See articles NVIDIA and ATI, section "The hard way", for how to do this if you are interested.

    and
    Special Concerns
    • Virtual Machines

    openSUSE 11.4 supports VirtualBox. Due to it not being in the mainline kernel and Tumbleweed routinely receiving kernel updates, it has been decided not to support VirtualBox in the main Tumbleweed repo.
    Tumbleweed does support the vmware and hyper-v virtual machine architectures.
    This is because they are in the main upstream kernel and require no significant extra resources to make available with each kernel update.

    • Third Party Drivers

    If you have 3rd party kernel modules, Greg KH (the primary Tumbleweed maintainer) STRONGLY suggests that you not use Tumbleweed. Seriously, it's not worth the pain and extra work, unless you _really_ want to do it.
    And if you do do it, then again, you are on your own, sorry.
    Last edited by wolfi323; 22-May-2014 at 13:40.

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