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  1. #11

    Default Re: Can't update kernel

    On 05/22/2014 03:36 PM, iceberg pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
    > hcvv;2644798 Wrote:
    >> Your story telling is bitt confusing to me. Are you using Tumbleweed or
    >> not?
    >> When you are using Tumbleweed, your thread is at the wrong pllace. You
    >> should then ask in the Tumbleweed forum. That is where your fellow
    >> Tunbleweed users are.
    >>
    >> So please be specific and explain. When this should be moved to
    >> Tumbleweed, I can do that for you. Do not make a double post there, but
    >> ask for the move.

    > thanks for the help.
    >
    > I can't boot to desktop so its kind of more of a problem than just with
    > tumbleweed now.
    >
    > I could've just not done the update and waited til tomorrow to format
    > and reinstall windows but this forum has led me to lock myself out of my
    > own desktop and now this. Pretty cool.
    >
    > maybe someone could point me to a person who could give me some straight
    > forward help so I could avoid having to format and lose all the data on
    > that hd? I'd be willing to pay.
    >
    > otherwise I'm just gonna forget about opensuse completely because, as
    > good as the OS is and as probably limited the issues are, this community
    > doesn't work for people that aren't comp sci students apparently.
    >
    >


    Being a comp sci student is not a pre-requiset for using openSUSE. At
    this point I would remove the tumbleweed repo and disable any other
    repos that don't pertain to the installation of openSUSE. this can be
    done at the non-gui login screen. Login as root and do the following
    (posting the results in code blocks):

    [/code]
    zypper lr -d
    [code]

    After I have the results of that I will try and help you get your system
    straightened out so that it boots to a gui login.
    I will need the list before I can help further. I have been using
    openSUSE (formally SuSE) since 1998 and tumbleweed for about six months
    so hopefully I have enough experience to help.

    I don't monitor the list postings all the time so bear with me if I take
    a while to respond to your posts.

    Ken

  2. #12

    Default Re: Can't update kernel

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfi323 View Post
    ???
    Why did you _have_ to use Tumbleweed?


    The Tumbleweed page (http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed) explicitely states:

    and
    Its the default updater.

    Should I have tried some elaborate custom install instead? Maybe I should've read a whole book on Linux? There was no recommended reading in any of the beginners threads, though.

    Your comment was very helpful, by the way, thank you so much.

  3. #13

    Default Re: Can't update kernel

    Quote Originally Posted by kensch View Post
    On 05/22/2014 03:36 PM, iceberg pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
    > hcvv;2644798 Wrote:
    >> Your story telling is bitt confusing to me. Are you using Tumbleweed or
    >> not?
    >> When you are using Tumbleweed, your thread is at the wrong pllace. You
    >> should then ask in the Tumbleweed forum. That is where your fellow
    >> Tunbleweed users are.
    >>
    >> So please be specific and explain. When this should be moved to
    >> Tumbleweed, I can do that for you. Do not make a double post there, but
    >> ask for the move.

    > thanks for the help.
    >
    > I can't boot to desktop so its kind of more of a problem than just with
    > tumbleweed now.
    >
    > I could've just not done the update and waited til tomorrow to format
    > and reinstall windows but this forum has led me to lock myself out of my
    > own desktop and now this. Pretty cool.
    >
    > maybe someone could point me to a person who could give me some straight
    > forward help so I could avoid having to format and lose all the data on
    > that hd? I'd be willing to pay.
    >
    > otherwise I'm just gonna forget about opensuse completely because, as
    > good as the OS is and as probably limited the issues are, this community
    > doesn't work for people that aren't comp sci students apparently.
    >
    >


    Being a comp sci student is not a pre-requiset for using openSUSE. At
    this point I would remove the tumbleweed repo and disable any other
    repos that don't pertain to the installation of openSUSE. this can be
    done at the non-gui login screen. Login as root and do the following
    (posting the results in code blocks):

    [/code]
    zypper lr -d
    [code]

    After I have the results of that I will try and help you get your system
    straightened out so that it boots to a gui login.
    I will need the list before I can help further. I have been using
    openSUSE (formally SuSE) since 1998 and tumbleweed for about six months
    so hopefully I have enough experience to help.

    I don't monitor the list postings all the time so bear with me if I take
    a while to respond to your posts.

    Ken
    OK so that's after doing the upgrade then

  4. #14

    Default Re: Can't update kernel

    On 05/22/2014 06:16 PM, iceberg pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
    > kensch;2644860 Wrote:
    >> On 05/22/2014 03:36 PM, iceberg pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
    >>> hcvv;2644798 Wrote:
    >>>> Your story telling is bitt confusing to me. Are you using Tumbleweed

    >> or
    >>>> not?
    >>>> When you are using Tumbleweed, your thread is at the wrong pllace.

    >> You
    >>>> should then ask in the Tumbleweed forum. That is where your fellow
    >>>> Tunbleweed users are.
    >>>>
    >>>> So please be specific and explain. When this should be moved to
    >>>> Tumbleweed, I can do that for you. Do not make a double post there,

    >> but
    >>>> ask for the move.
    >>> thanks for the help.
    >>>
    >>> I can't boot to desktop so its kind of more of a problem than just

    >> with
    >>> tumbleweed now.
    >>>
    >>> I could've just not done the update and waited til tomorrow to format
    >>> and reinstall windows but this forum has led me to lock myself out of

    >> my
    >>> own desktop and now this. Pretty cool.
    >>>
    >>> maybe someone could point me to a person who could give me some

    >> straight
    >>> forward help so I could avoid having to format and lose all the data

    >> on
    >>> that hd? I'd be willing to pay.
    >>>
    >>> otherwise I'm just gonna forget about opensuse completely because, as
    >>> good as the OS is and as probably limited the issues are, this

    >> community
    >>> doesn't work for people that aren't comp sci students apparently.
    >>>
    >>>

    >> Being a comp sci student is not a pre-requiset for using openSUSE. At
    >> this point I would remove the tumbleweed repo and disable any other
    >> repos that don't pertain to the installation of openSUSE. this can be
    >> done at the non-gui login screen. Login as root and do the following
    >> (posting the results in code blocks):
    >>
    >>

    > --------------------
    >
    > zypper lr -d
    >
    > Code:
    > --------------------
    >
    >
    > After I have the results of that I will try and help you get your system
    > straightened out so that it boots to a gui login.
    > I will need the list before I can help further. I have been using
    > openSUSE (formally SuSE) since 1998 and tumbleweed for about six months
    > so hopefully I have enough experience to help.
    >
    > I don't monitor the list postings all the time so bear with me if I take
    > a while to respond to your posts.
    >
    > Ken
    >
    > OK so that's after doing the upgrade then
    >
    >


    This procedure should get you back to a vanilla install of 13.1 with all
    of the latest updates and without tumbleweed.

    Ken

  5. #15

    Default Re: Can't update kernel

    Quote Originally Posted by iceberg View Post
    Its the default updater.
    No it is not.

    You have to add the Tumbleweed repo manually to use Tumbleweed.

    Should I have tried some elaborate custom install instead?
    No.
    If you do a standard install, you DO NOT use Tumbleweed.
    And there's no option in the installer to add Tumbleweed anyway.

    Maybe you clicked on a 1-click install for some package for Tumbleweed?

    Maybe I should've read a whole book on Linux? There was no recommended reading in any of the beginners threads, though.
    No.
    Just don't switch to Tumbleweed, and all should work.
    Or make yourself accustomed to Tumbleweed before you switch to it (especially when using the nvidia driver, as mentioned).

    Again, Tumbleweed doesn't get added automatically.

    Your comment was very helpful, by the way, thank you so much.
    So your problem is solved now?
    Good to hear!

    But how did you solve it?
    By switching back to the standard openSUSE?
    Or by removing/reinstalling the nvidia driver? (you would have the same problem then after the next kernel update in possibly a few days)

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    Default Re: Can't update kernel

    On 2014-05-22 22:36, iceberg wrote:

    > Would've been nice to hear about that before I had to use Tumbleweed.


    Why did you _had_ to use Tumbleweed?

    Tumbleweed is not an automatic activation, you have to do that yourself,
    manually. It is an experimental distro, made for experienced people. It
    has its own dedicated forum here, has to be updated differently, and has
    has different problems.

    > No warning was ever made anywhere that I saw which I'm now getting after
    > basically giving myself this totally unnecessary problem.


    There are a lot of warnings, but you have to read them.

    wolfi323 pointed you to some.



    > What would I need to do after doing the upgrade option? Is it anything
    > that I won't be "prepared to cope with"? Any things I'd "need to know"
    > if that's not the case?


    The offline upgrade, from the DVD?

    Basically zypper up, zypper patch, zypper dup, before adding any repo.
    That is, it should be done with only the four official repos for 13.1
    active: oss, non-oss, update-oss, update-non-oss.

    Then follow the multimedia guide - do not add any other repo unless you
    absolutely need it and exercise due care.


    --
    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.

    (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))

  7. #17

    Default Re: Can't update kernel

    ^I don't really understand

    Quote Originally Posted by kensch View Post
    On 05/22/2014 06:16 PM, iceberg pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
    > kensch;2644860 Wrote:
    >> On 05/22/2014 03:36 PM, iceberg pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
    >>> hcvv;2644798 Wrote:
    >>>> Your story telling is bitt confusing to me. Are you using Tumbleweed

    >> or
    >>>> not?
    >>>> When you are using Tumbleweed, your thread is at the wrong pllace.

    >> You
    >>>> should then ask in the Tumbleweed forum. That is where your fellow
    >>>> Tunbleweed users are.
    >>>>
    >>>> So please be specific and explain. When this should be moved to
    >>>> Tumbleweed, I can do that for you. Do not make a double post there,

    >> but
    >>>> ask for the move.
    >>> thanks for the help.
    >>>
    >>> I can't boot to desktop so its kind of more of a problem than just

    >> with
    >>> tumbleweed now.
    >>>
    >>> I could've just not done the update and waited til tomorrow to format
    >>> and reinstall windows but this forum has led me to lock myself out of

    >> my
    >>> own desktop and now this. Pretty cool.
    >>>
    >>> maybe someone could point me to a person who could give me some

    >> straight
    >>> forward help so I could avoid having to format and lose all the data

    >> on
    >>> that hd? I'd be willing to pay.
    >>>
    >>> otherwise I'm just gonna forget about opensuse completely because, as
    >>> good as the OS is and as probably limited the issues are, this

    >> community
    >>> doesn't work for people that aren't comp sci students apparently.
    >>>
    >>>

    >> Being a comp sci student is not a pre-requiset for using openSUSE. At
    >> this point I would remove the tumbleweed repo and disable any other
    >> repos that don't pertain to the installation of openSUSE. this can be
    >> done at the non-gui login screen. Login as root and do the following
    >> (posting the results in code blocks):
    >>
    >>

    > --------------------
    >
    > zypper lr -d
    >
    > Code:
    > --------------------
    >
    >
    > After I have the results of that I will try and help you get your system
    > straightened out so that it boots to a gui login.
    > I will need the list before I can help further. I have been using
    > openSUSE (formally SuSE) since 1998 and tumbleweed for about six months
    > so hopefully I have enough experience to help.
    >
    > I don't monitor the list postings all the time so bear with me if I take
    > a while to respond to your posts.
    >
    > Ken
    >
    > OK so that's after doing the upgrade then
    >
    >


    This procedure should get you back to a vanilla install of 13.1 with all
    of the latest updates and without tumbleweed.

    Ken
    what procedure? there's no upgrade option I can find on the boot disk.

  8. #18

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    I'm doing the update thing but am I supposed to set all the repos to remove? This will make me lose my data too, right?

    All I want to do is get it to boot to desktop with the data I had on the hd... if I can't do that then I'm just gonna format it with a windows OS anyway I don't care about a clean opensuse OS

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    Default Re: Can't update kernel

    On 2014-05-23 01:36, iceberg wrote:

    >> This procedure should get you back to a vanilla install of 13.1 with all
    >> of the latest updates and without tumbleweed.
    >>
    >> Ken

    >
    > what procedure? there's no upgrade option I can find on the boot disk.


    Yes, there is.

    It is on the FULL install DVD or the Netinstall CD, not on the KDE/Gnome
    images. After booting it, one of the first displays asks if you want to
    do a fresh installation or upgrade an existing one.

    Offline upgrade
    method



    --
    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.

    (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))

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    Default Re: Can't update kernel

    Quote Originally Posted by iceberg View Post
    I'm doing the update thing but am I supposed to set all the repos to remove? This will make me lose my data too, right?
    No.

    All I want to do is get it to boot to desktop with the data I had on the hd...
    No problem. Just follow the directions of those who are helping.

    if I can't do that then I'm just gonna format it with a windows OS anyway I don't care about a clean opensuse OS
    It is difficult not to answer with just "So, go ahead." However, we would rather help you.

    So.

    Somehow, whether consciously or through some method you were unaware of what the consequences would be, you have activated the Tumbleweed repositories, for which lots of experience (as in your referral to "being a comp sci student") is required.

    How that happened does not matter. It happened, so it needs to be reversed.

    Therefore, before doing anything else, follow the instructions to allow only the four official repos for 13.1, as Carlos said: oss, non-oss, update-oss, update-non-oss.

    Any other changes and fixes can be done once you have done that.

    Good luck, take a deep breath, relax, and we can help you get this sorted out.
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