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On 13.1, got around to updating the repos that were messed up from last month or whatever, going through the updates with a lot of depedency resolution failed notifications but able to resolve them until i got to trying to install kernel update, error message: There is no update candidate for kernel-default-3.14.4-30.2.gbebeb6f.i586

I’ve been looking and I can’t seem to find any really straight forward info about this problem. I’m also basically a retard compared to the rest of you and not used to RPMs or linux so yeah. hopefully somehow i can get tumbleweed to work for a month or 2 solid or its go back to an old **** windows OS or hurl this laptop out a window like a discuss in a moment of frustration.

thanks in advance

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The recent kernel update was to 3.11.10-11. So you are well ahead of that. If the patch is giving you an error message, it is probably a flawed patch. I’d be inclined to ignore that and keep the kernel you are using.

My opinion: if you are frustrated by problems such as this, then you should not be using Tumbleweed. You should stick to the regular release, which will be more stable.

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Too late now I’ve got no desktop, i found a way to do all the updates but when i restarted it booted into the new kernel which has no desktop apparently…

so now I have no idea how I can use my main laptop for anything short of formatting and reinstalling which I’d really not like to do.

would’ve been nice to have a chance to know what the update would do, but… here I am. at least I have a second functional computer right now.

it just boots to console

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looking at it some more it seems to be a problem with nvidia drivers but i have no idea how to install the drivers and what files to use

just tried all the safe mode options to see if i could boot to the desktop but nothing. the graphics thing fails and goes back to bottle

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Your story telling is bitt confusing to me. Are you using Tumbleweed or not?
When you are using Tumbleweed, your thread is at the wrong pllace. You should then ask in the Tumbleweed forum. That is where your fellow Tunbleweed users are.

So please be specific and explain. When this should be moved to Tumbleweed, I can do that for you. Do not make a double post there, but ask for the move.

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thanks for the help.

I can’t boot to desktop so its kind of more of a problem than just with tumbleweed now.

I could’ve just not done the update and waited til tomorrow to format and reinstall windows but this forum has led me to lock myself out of my own desktop and now this. Pretty cool.

maybe someone could point me to a person who could give me some straight forward help so I could avoid having to format and lose all the data on that hd? I’d be willing to pay.

otherwise I’m just gonna forget about opensuse completely because, as good as the OS is and as probably limited the issues are, this community doesn’t work for people that aren’t comp sci students apparently.

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Try to boot an older kernel (“Advanced Options”) in the boot menu.

If that doesn’t work either, please describe the boot problem more detailed.

You probably need to re-install the nvidia driver though.
Or try to uninstall it.

How did you install it in the first place? (via YaST/zypper or the .run file from the nvidia homepage?)

I could’ve just not done the update and waited til tomorrow to format and reinstall windows but this forum has led me to lock myself out of my own desktop and now this. Pretty cool.

Yeah, pretty cool.
How did the forum do that? :wink:

otherwise I’m just gonna forget about opensuse completely because, as good as the OS is and as probably limited the issues are, this community doesn’t work for people that aren’t comp sci students apparently.

Well, maybe you shouldn’t use Tumbleweed in the first place, but the stable openSUSE distribution? Especially if you use the nvidia driver.

And the forum community does try to help non comp sci students as well.
Actually those probably wouldn’t need help anyway.

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On 2014-05-22 21:36, iceberg wrote:

> I can’t boot to desktop so its kind of more of a problem than just with
> tumbleweed now.

No, the problem is precisely that you appear to be using Tumbleweed, and
you are not prepared to cope with it. You need some expertise to use
such a version.

Using Tumbleweed, you should know that some of the normal updates for
13.1, like the kernel, you should not install them even if the system
says that it wants to install it. A recent post explains how to inform
the system to disregard those kernel updates.

> maybe someone could point me to a person who could give me some straight
> forward help so I could avoid having to format and lose all the data on
> that hd? I’d be willing to pay.

Take out the full installation DVD for 13.1, boot it, and choose
“upgrade”, not install. It should restore most of your system to the
original 13.1.

Then there will be more work to do.

> otherwise I’m just gonna forget about opensuse completely because, as
> good as the OS is and as probably limited the issues are, this community
> doesn’t work for people that aren’t comp sci students apparently.

Linux is complex. Either you learn, or you pay someone to do the
administration of your computer. Here in the forums we are very happy to
help everybody as best as we can, but it is /you/ who has to do things
and be our eyes.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))

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Would’ve been nice to hear about that before I had to use Tumbleweed.

No warning was ever made anywhere that I saw which I’m now getting after basically giving myself this totally unnecessary problem.

What would I need to do after doing the upgrade option? Is it anything that I won’t be “prepared to cope with”? Any things I’d “need to know” if that’s not the case?

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???
Why did you have to use Tumbleweed?

No warning was ever made anywhere that I saw which I’m now getting after basically giving myself this totally unnecessary problem.

The Tumbleweed page (Portal:Tumbleweed - openSUSE Wiki) explicitely states:

Due to the Linux kernel being updated very frequently, users who rely on proprietary graphic drivers should not use the Tumbleweed repository unless they are familiar with updating these drivers from source on their own. See articles NVIDIA and ATI, section “The hard way”, for how to do this if you are interested.

and

Special Concerns

  • Virtual Machines

openSUSE 11.4 supports VirtualBox. Due to it not being in the mainline kernel and Tumbleweed routinely receiving kernel updates, it has been decided not to support VirtualBox in the main Tumbleweed repo.
Tumbleweed does support the vmware and hyper-v virtual machine architectures.
This is because they are in the main upstream kernel and require no significant extra resources to make available with each kernel update.

  • Third Party Drivers

If you have 3rd party kernel modules, Greg KH (the primary Tumbleweed maintainer) STRONGLY suggests that you not use Tumbleweed. Seriously, it’s not worth the pain and extra work, unless you really want to do it.
And if you do do it, then again, you are on your own, sorry.

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On 05/22/2014 03:36 PM, iceberg pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
> hcvv;2644798 Wrote:
>> Your story telling is bitt confusing to me. Are you using Tumbleweed or
>> not?
>> When you are using Tumbleweed, your thread is at the wrong pllace. You
>> should then ask in the Tumbleweed forum. That is where your fellow
>> Tunbleweed users are.
>>
>> So please be specific and explain. When this should be moved to
>> Tumbleweed, I can do that for you. Do not make a double post there, but
>> ask for the move.
> thanks for the help.
>
> I can’t boot to desktop so its kind of more of a problem than just with
> tumbleweed now.
>
> I could’ve just not done the update and waited til tomorrow to format
> and reinstall windows but this forum has led me to lock myself out of my
> own desktop and now this. Pretty cool.
>
> maybe someone could point me to a person who could give me some straight
> forward help so I could avoid having to format and lose all the data on
> that hd? I’d be willing to pay.
>
> otherwise I’m just gonna forget about opensuse completely because, as
> good as the OS is and as probably limited the issues are, this community
> doesn’t work for people that aren’t comp sci students apparently.
>
>

Being a comp sci student is not a pre-requiset for using openSUSE. At
this point I would remove the tumbleweed repo and disable any other
repos that don’t pertain to the installation of openSUSE. this can be
done at the non-gui login screen. Login as root and do the following
(posting the results in code blocks):


zypper lr -d

After I have the results of that I will try and help you get your system
straightened out so that it boots to a gui login.
I will need the list before I can help further. I have been using
openSUSE (formally SuSE) since 1998 and tumbleweed for about six months
so hopefully I have enough experience to help.

I don’t monitor the list postings all the time so bear with me if I take
a while to respond to your posts.

Ken

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Its the default updater.

Should I have tried some elaborate custom install instead? Maybe I should’ve read a whole book on Linux? There was no recommended reading in any of the beginners threads, though.

Your comment was very helpful, by the way, thank you so much.

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OK so that’s after doing the upgrade then

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No it is not.

You have to add the Tumbleweed repo manually to use Tumbleweed.

Should I have tried some elaborate custom install instead?

No.
If you do a standard install, you DO NOT use Tumbleweed.
And there’s no option in the installer to add Tumbleweed anyway.

Maybe you clicked on a 1-click install for some package for Tumbleweed?

Maybe I should’ve read a whole book on Linux? There was no recommended reading in any of the beginners threads, though.

No.
Just don’t switch to Tumbleweed, and all should work.
Or make yourself accustomed to Tumbleweed before you switch to it (especially when using the nvidia driver, as mentioned).

Again, Tumbleweed doesn’t get added automatically.

Your comment was very helpful, by the way, thank you so much.

So your problem is solved now?
Good to hear! :slight_smile:

But how did you solve it?
By switching back to the standard openSUSE?
Or by removing/reinstalling the nvidia driver? (you would have the same problem then after the next kernel update in possibly a few days)

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On 05/22/2014 06:16 PM, iceberg pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
> kensch;2644860 Wrote:
>> On 05/22/2014 03:36 PM, iceberg pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
>>> hcvv;2644798 Wrote:
>>>> Your story telling is bitt confusing to me. Are you using Tumbleweed
>> or
>>>> not?
>>>> When you are using Tumbleweed, your thread is at the wrong pllace.
>> You
>>>> should then ask in the Tumbleweed forum. That is where your fellow
>>>> Tunbleweed users are.
>>>>
>>>> So please be specific and explain. When this should be moved to
>>>> Tumbleweed, I can do that for you. Do not make a double post there,
>> but
>>>> ask for the move.
>>> thanks for the help.
>>>
>>> I can’t boot to desktop so its kind of more of a problem than just
>> with
>>> tumbleweed now.
>>>
>>> I could’ve just not done the update and waited til tomorrow to format
>>> and reinstall windows but this forum has led me to lock myself out of
>> my
>>> own desktop and now this. Pretty cool.
>>>
>>> maybe someone could point me to a person who could give me some
>> straight
>>> forward help so I could avoid having to format and lose all the data
>> on
>>> that hd? I’d be willing to pay.
>>>
>>> otherwise I’m just gonna forget about opensuse completely because, as
>>> good as the OS is and as probably limited the issues are, this
>> community
>>> doesn’t work for people that aren’t comp sci students apparently.
>>>
>>>
>> Being a comp sci student is not a pre-requiset for using openSUSE. At
>> this point I would remove the tumbleweed repo and disable any other
>> repos that don’t pertain to the installation of openSUSE. this can be
>> done at the non-gui login screen. Login as root and do the following
>> (posting the results in code blocks):
>>
>>
> --------------------
>
> zypper lr -d
>
> Code:
> --------------------
>
>
> After I have the results of that I will try and help you get your system
> straightened out so that it boots to a gui login.
> I will need the list before I can help further. I have been using
> openSUSE (formally SuSE) since 1998 and tumbleweed for about six months
> so hopefully I have enough experience to help.
>
> I don’t monitor the list postings all the time so bear with me if I take
> a while to respond to your posts.
>
> Ken
>
> OK so that’s after doing the upgrade then
>
>

This procedure should get you back to a vanilla install of 13.1 with all
of the latest updates and without tumbleweed.

Ken

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On 2014-05-22 22:36, iceberg wrote:

> Would’ve been nice to hear about that before I had to use Tumbleweed.

Why did you had to use Tumbleweed?

Tumbleweed is not an automatic activation, you have to do that yourself,
manually. It is an experimental distro, made for experienced people. It
has its own dedicated forum here, has to be updated differently, and has
has different problems.

> No warning was ever made anywhere that I saw which I’m now getting after
> basically giving myself this totally unnecessary problem.

There are a lot of warnings, but you have to read them.

wolfi323 pointed you to some.

> What would I need to do after doing the upgrade option? Is it anything
> that I won’t be “prepared to cope with”? Any things I’d “need to know”
> if that’s not the case?

The offline upgrade, from the DVD?

Basically zypper up, zypper patch, zypper dup, before adding any repo.
That is, it should be done with only the four official repos for 13.1
active: oss, non-oss, update-oss, update-non-oss.

Then follow the multimedia guide - do not add any other repo unless you
absolutely need it and exercise due care.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))

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^I don’t really understand

what procedure? there’s no upgrade option I can find on the boot disk.

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I’m doing the update thing but am I supposed to set all the repos to remove? This will make me lose my data too, right?

All I want to do is get it to boot to desktop with the data I had on the hd… if I can’t do that then I’m just gonna format it with a windows OS anyway I don’t care about a clean opensuse OS

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On 2014-05-23 01:36, iceberg wrote:

>> This procedure should get you back to a vanilla install of 13.1 with all
>> of the latest updates and without tumbleweed.
>>
>> Ken
>
> what procedure? there’s no upgrade option I can find on the boot disk.

Yes, there is.

It is on the FULL install DVD or the Netinstall CD, not on the KDE/Gnome
images. After booting it, one of the first displays asks if you want to
do a fresh installation or upgrade an existing one.

Offline upgrade
method

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))

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No.

All I want to do is get it to boot to desktop with the data I had on the hd…

No problem. Just follow the directions of those who are helping.

if I can’t do that then I’m just gonna format it with a windows OS anyway I don’t care about a clean opensuse OS

It is difficult not to answer with just “So, go ahead.” However, we would rather help you.

So.

Somehow, whether consciously or through some method you were unaware of what the consequences would be, you have activated the Tumbleweed repositories, for which lots of experience (as in your referral to “being a comp sci student”) is required.

How that happened does not matter. It happened, so it needs to be reversed.

Therefore, before doing anything else, follow the instructions to allow only the four official repos for 13.1, as Carlos said: oss, non-oss, update-oss, update-non-oss.

Any other changes and fixes can be done once you have done that.

Good luck, take a deep breath, relax, and we can help you get this sorted out.