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    Default Attempting to dual boot OpenSUSE with Windows 7 and OpenSUSE does not see Windows 7 to shrink.

    I am trying to dual boot my Windows 7 laptop with OpenSUSE Gnome. When I boot with a live Gnome USB 13.1 and start the installation process it does not see my Windows 7 operating system and offer to shrink it, so I aborted the process. There are many ways to dual boot a laptop, and I am wondering which is the safest way and how to do it step by step. This is my first attempt at dual booting a computer. I seem to be only on the path to destruction.

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    Default Re: Attempting to dual boot OpenSUSE with Windows 7 and OpenSUSEdoes not see Windows 7 to shrink.

    On 2014-05-20 01:16, New123 wrote:
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    > I am trying to dual boot my Windows 7 laptop with OpenSUSE Gnome. When I
    > boot with a live Gnome USB 13.1 and start the installation process it
    > does not see my Windows 7 operating system and offer to shrink it, so I
    > aborted the process. There are many ways to dual boot a laptop, and I am
    > wondering which is the safest way and how to do it step by step. This is
    > my first attempt at dual booting a computer. I seem to be only on the
    > path to destruction.


    We need some info.
    From that live, open a terminal and run:

    Code:
    sudo fdisk -l
    and paste it all here, and please do so inside code tags (the '#' button
    in the forum editor).
    See photo


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    Red face Re: Attempting to dual boot OpenSUSE with Windows 7 and OpenSUSE does not see Windows 7 to shrink.

    Thank you for the reply. I have tried the command in the live disk and my results are shown in the URL below. The cut and paste did not work. I am new to this form of posting images. I hope you see it. Thank you.



    http://susepaste.org/45025168

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    Default Re: Attempting to dual boot OpenSUSE with Windows 7 and OpenSUSE does not see Windows 7 to shrink.

    Quote Originally Posted by New123 View Post
    I am trying to dual boot my Windows 7 laptop with OpenSUSE Gnome. When I boot with a live Gnome USB 13.1 and start the installation process it does not see my Windows 7 operating system and offer to shrink it, so I aborted the process. There are many ways to dual boot a laptop, and I am wondering which is the safest way and how to do it step by step. This is my first attempt at dual booting a computer. I seem to be only on the path to destruction.

    it does not see my Windows 7 operating system
    and offer to shrink it
    This is a bit of a oxymoron isn't it

    I suggest you partition you HDD manually but first you should backup important files in windows and defrag windows. Then create free space using the windows disk management tool. Then use gparted cd to create partitions in the free space for openSUSE.
    Now start the openSUSE install and follow this
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/....1_install.pdf
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    Default Re: Attempting to dual boot OpenSUSE with Windows 7 and OpenSUSEdoes not see Windows 7 to shrink.

    On 2014-05-20 06:26, New123 wrote:
    >
    > Thank you for the reply. I have tried the command in the live disk and
    > my results are shown in the URL below. The cut and paste did not work. I
    > am new to this form of posting images. I hope you see it. Thank you.
    >
    > [image: http://susepaste.org/45025168]


    Mmmm... I do not see why the install would fail... :-?

    Another possibility is shrink the windows partition (number 2 in the
    photo), as much as you can/wish, but from inside Windows. Leave it
    unpartitioned. Then boot the Linux install disk, which should see that
    free space and offer to install on it. It will need to create an
    extended partition on that space, and inside, 2 or 3 Linux partition.
    That is what I did with my laptop, a Compaq, with about the same layout
    as yours:

    Code:
    minas-tirith:~ # fdisk -l /dev/sda
    
    Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors
    Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    Disk label type: dos
    Disk identifier: 0xb4e583dd
    
    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
    /dev/sda1            2048      409599      203776    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
    /dev/sda2          409600   333279231   166434816    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
    /dev/sda3       950562816   976771071    13104128    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
    /dev/sda4   *   333284490   950549984   308632747+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
    /dev/sda5       333284553   345863384     6289416   82  Linux swap / Solaris
    /dev/sda6       345863448   346265009      200781   83  Linux
    /dev/sda7       346265073   409175549    31455238+  83  Linux
    /dev/sda8       409175613   935850509   263337448+  83  Linux
    /dev/sda9       935850573   950549984     7349706   83  Linux
    
    Partition table entries are not in disk order
    minas-tirith:~ #

    The dificulty is shrinking Windows first. You may need to unfragment it
    in advance, and disable disk swapping and the hibernation image (sorry,
    I forgot the Windows names for them both). They can be large files,
    unmovable, right in the middle of the partition. There is advice in
    Internet on how to do that... I should have the links somewhere... :-?

    Anyway, I was unable to do it. There were some files in the middle which
    I could not move, and it would just allow me to shrink very little. I
    ended up by restoring computer to factory condition (using the recovery
    partition), and then just after booting Windows and creating admin and
    user account, shrink it before installing or using the thing (swap had
    to be disabled, too).

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    Default Re: Attempting to dual boot OpenSUSE with Windows 7 and OpenSUSE does not see Windows 7 to shrink.

    Quote Originally Posted by caf4926 View Post
    This is a bit of a oxymoron isn't it

    I suggest you partition you HDD manually but first you should backup important files in windows and defrag windows. Then create free space using the windows disk management tool. Then use gparted cd to create partitions in the free space for openSUSE.
    Now start the openSUSE install and follow this
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/....1_install.pdf
    I agree, except on one point.

    The Windows Disk Management tool is limited, will not shrink your partition as much as the partition can be reduced. Then, after you have used the WDM to shrink the partition, you cannot use another tool to resize the partition.

    So, if you have not used WDM to change the partition size in the past, use GParted instead. You will have far more control over the final partition size, and it will not break your Windows system.

    ... but first run Windows CHKDSK, defragment the partition, then run CHKDSK once more. Then do your resizing.

    You can then use the GParted utility to create the Linux partitions. I recommend using ext4 for those, at this time.
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    Default Re: Attempting to dual boot OpenSUSE with Windows 7 and OpenSUSEdoes not see Windows 7 to shrink.

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    The dificulty is shrinking Windows first. You may need to unfragment it
    in advance, and disable disk swapping and the hibernation image (sorry,
    I forgot the Windows names for them both). They can be large files,
    unmovable, right in the middle of the partition. There is advice in
    Internet on how to do that... I should have the links somewhere... :-?

    Anyway, I was unable to do it. There were some files in the middle which
    I could not move, and it would just allow me to shrink very little. I
    ended up by restoring computer to factory condition (using the recovery
    partition), and then just after booting Windows and creating admin and
    user account, shrink it before installing or using the thing (swap had
    to be disabled, too).
    Hmmm.

    I have not run into that, in any of the many times I have done it, when doing the job -- as I just outlined -- using GParted or another 3rd party partitioning tool. Unless, of course, as I mentioned, the partition has previously been resized by WDM.

    But, I cannot say with absolute certainty that it is a non-problem, just that I have not run into it so far.

    Anyway, New123, try the method I just outlined and see if it works.
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    Default Re: Attempting to dual boot OpenSUSE with Windows 7 and OpenSUSE does not see Windows 7 to shrink.

    Thank you everyone for all of the help! I am back from hesitation and distraction. I have decided to dual boot a different computer first from the one I had described earlier because my laptops take turns annoying me. I have freed 225 gigs for OpenSuse GNome and have left 356 gigs for Windows 7 Home Premium. I have expanded and shrunk my C drive a few times since I could not decide how much to give to which operating system. I hope I am selecting the correct number of mib for improved speed and efficiency. I was disconcerted when I found that with the 200 gigs I had freed earlier the partition editor from GParted said that there was 1 mib more than 200 gigs I had freed, yet Window's partition editor said that there was available 1 mib less than I had freed, but OpenSuse saw the correct amount which it wanted to create an extended partition for in the Yast partition editor with the live USB I am working from. I would have to look further into the way GParted works and the other topics like which partition editor is preferable, but I want to move forward right now, and I guess it looks alright from this point. I am curious about which way of dual booting is safest, least messy, and works the best etc. Below is what the Yast partition editor wants to do with my unpartitioned 225 gigs of free space. I am having trouble following the partitioning instructions posted since the sda goes from one to three and there is no sda seven to start the instructions with. Thank you.

    *Create extended partition /dev/sda4 (224.99 GB)
    *Create swap volume /dev/sda5 (2.01 GB)
    *Create root volume /dev/sda6 (20.00 GB) with ext4
    *Create volume /dev/sda7 (202.98 GB) for /home with ext4

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    Default Re: Attempting to dual boot OpenSUSE with Windows 7 and OpenSUSE does not see Windows 7 to shrink.

    Follow the install guide by going the advanced route
    set the mount points for sda6 as /
    and sda 7 as /home

    If you can't see everything, make sure you expand the tree on the left first
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    I saw the sda 1 through 7 briefly, and now it is sda 1 through 3 again and I am not certain why. Sorry about my sloppy earlier post.

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