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    Exclamation 13.1 Issue During Install Attempt

    During install, I have to do manual partitioning because the only area for install
    is the free space on second hard drive. Which free space is 29Gb.
    Which you woyl think is enough...but oh no.. openSuse 13.1 arbitrarily decides
    to try and reduce the NTFS partition on there by 7Gb ON TOP of the 29Gb that
    is available.
    So, I did NOT install, and went with another distro that did not go against my
    wishes during install.
    Decided to post here and ask "Why does this distro do its own thing and ignore
    what I tell it to do?".
    Any ideas here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathDragon14 View Post
    Decided to post here and ask "Why does this distro do its own thing and ignore
    what I tell it to do?".
    I don't really know the answer to that. It's hard to read minds. It's even hard when you are trying to read the mind of a computer program that does not have a mind.

    In any case, manual partitioning is the way to go. I almost always do it that way. I'll give credit though -- opensuse is one of the best distros for making manual partitioning reasonably straight forward.
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    Default Re: 13.1 Issue During Install Attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathDragon14 View Post
    Decided to post here and ask "Why does this distro do its own thing and ignore
    what I tell it to do?".
    Any ideas here?
    openSUSE does not ignore what one tells it to do. Did you choose an 'advanced' install ?

    I typically always customise my partitioning using openSUSE. I so not use the default openSUSE partitioning, but instead using the openSUSE installer interface, I select the 'edit' option for the proposed installation partitions, and tune it as desired. openSUSE has a very good interface here, but it does adopt a different approach than some other distributions, and it did take me a bit of time to become used to it.

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    Default Re: 13.1 Issue During Install Attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathDragon14 View Post
    During install, I have to do manual partitioning because the only area for install
    is the free space on second hard drive. Which free space is 29Gb.
    Which you woyl think is enough...but oh no.. openSuse 13.1 arbitrarily decides
    to try and reduce the NTFS partition on there by 7Gb ON TOP of the 29Gb that
    is available.
    This is your general story, but without detailed explanation on how you (tried to) tell the installer what you wanted, nobody can give a serious comment imho.

    BTW, I think 29GB is not very much. The default partition offered, tries to create a Swap of about a few GB, a root partition of about 20GB and the rest for a separate /home. Most installations do not use half of the 20 GB and thus, specialy when you do not go for a separate /home, installation is possible. But as said as long as you do not tell us, what you wanted to do and how you tried to tell it to the installer, advice is difficult.
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    Default Re: 13.1 Issue During Install Attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathDragon14 View Post
    During install, I have to do manual partitioning because the only area for install
    is the free space on second hard drive. Which free space is 29Gb.
    If you do try again, I would recommend you use the installation DVD (and not the liveDVD), and chose the advanced install and then when installing chose the 'edit' in the partitioning editor, choose to 'rescan' the hard drives within the openSUSE partitioner (so you can tune as you wish).

    Also, be very careful wrt Grub2 as to where it places its boot loader and what it does to the MBR. It is possible you may wish to tune that also.

    Best wishes and good luck. Thankyou for posting on our forum.

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    Default Re: 13.1 Issue During Install Attempt

    I recommend
    - Start with clearing all unused partitions and if necessary re-size partitions using gparted live to create contiguous free space.
    - During Partition Installation <uncheck> the box that creates a separate /home partition. With so little overall disk space, you need access to <all> storage as efficiently as possible and it's difficult to know for sure ahead of time how much root or home partitions might fill.
    - During Partition Installation choose "Advanced", then "edit existing" unless you know to install a swap partition (recommended), root (required), home (depends on if you follow my previous point). Be sure to click through "Save" to the end to apply your settings.
    - During main installation <do not> select KDE or Gnome. Although they are the Desktops which will do the most for you, they also use the most space by default. Instead, I recommend XFCE if you generally prefer Gnome or LXDE if you generally prefer KDE. Other desktops or no desktop can be chosen if you prefer to start with even less. No matter what Desktop you choose, you can always add apps from either KDE or Gnome (generally choose one or the other).

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    On 2014-03-27 01:06, DeathDragon14 wrote:

    > Decided to post here and ask "Why does this distro do its own thing and
    > ignore
    > what I tell it to do?".


    It does what you tell it to do, if you do tell it. And you actually have
    to tell it, not leave it to automatics. If you leave the installer to
    decide, it will decide what it thinks it is best, which may not match
    what you think is best.

    So you have to pick the reins and tell the installer what you do want it
    to do.

    So, instead of telling us here that you instead decided to use another
    distro, you should have stopped the installation and asked us here for
    advice on how to do that.

    But of course, use any distribution you are happy with - it is all
    Linux! :-)

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    To All:

    1. I am using the install DVD, not LIVE.
    2. I ONLY use manual partitioning, never auto.
    3. the 29Gb is ALL I have available to give to linux.
    4. I have also tried PCLinuxOS, Mageia 4, and Linux Mint and they ALL get by with the 29Gb
    and I have it set to :
    18 GB to /
    2 Gb to SWAP
    9 Gb to /HOME
    And all 3 of those others a.) work perfectly fine with it, and b.) when I use MANUAL partitioning
    NONE of them just ARBITRARILY just reduce the size of the NTFS partition by 7 GB for as far as I can
    tell just because it feels like it. Based on all I have read, and what all I installed during the testing of the other 3 distros 29 Gb is MORE than enough.
    Why?
    ROOT (/) Assigned 18Gb still has 9Gb free
    HOME (/HOME) Assigned 9Gb still has 7Gb free
    The data just above is because I am still currently using Mageia 4. KDE desktop.
    What I was asking basically is why does openSuse feel that is is acceptable to make a "land grab",
    and go against what I tell it I want? It completely ignores me telling it to confi the way mentioned above.

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    Default Re: 13.1 Issue During Install Attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathDragon14 View Post
    To All:

    1. I am using the install DVD, not LIVE.
    2. I ONLY use manual partitioning, never auto.
    3. the 29Gb is ALL I have available to give to linux.
    4. I have also tried PCLinuxOS, Mageia 4, and Linux Mint and they ALL get by with the 29Gb
    and I have it set to :
    18 GB to /
    2 Gb to SWAP
    9 Gb to /HOME
    And all 3 of those others a.) work perfectly fine with it, and b.) when I use MANUAL partitioning
    NONE of them just ARBITRARILY just reduce the size of the NTFS partition by 7 GB for as far as I can
    tell just because it feels like it. Based on all I have read, and what all I installed during the testing of the other 3 distros 29 Gb is MORE than enough.
    In my experience, the opensuse installer will do the same. It will accept that.

    Unfortunately, we are not able to look over your shoulder to see exactly what you did.

    What I would have done, is create the partitions first (before install), probably using "fdisk".

    In the install, I would have clicked on "create partitioning". And then I would have clicked "expert mode" and ignored the warning about expert mode being only for experts.

    This would show me the existing partitions. I would then right click and select edit on each that I wanted to use, saying where I wanted it mounted and whether to format.
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    On 2014-03-28 01:16, DeathDragon14 wrote:

    > 3. the 29Gb is ALL I have available to give to linux.
    > 4. I have also tried PCLinuxOS, Mageia 4, and Linux Mint and they ALL
    > get by with the 29Gb


    I install openSUSE on just 9. That's not an issue.


    > What I was asking basically is why does openSuse feel that is is
    > acceptable to make a "land grab",
    > and go against what I tell it I want? It completely ignores me telling
    > it to confi the way mentioned above.


    No, you have not told the installer what you want. You made a
    partitioning, and thought openSUSE would simply use that. Well, no, the
    partitioner first does a proposal, according to what it thinks best.
    And, as far as I recall, it prefers to shrink the Windows partitions it
    finds, and often it leaves alone the Linux partitions it finds.

    So you just say "no", and tell it exactly what to use instead.

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