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    Default just want to know how much the channel /Kernel:/openSUSE-13.1/standard/ get testing?

    hi there i just want to know how much testing this channel gets ---> http://download.opensuse.org/reposit...13.1/standard/

    and why the opensuse kernel team do extra work to patch 3.11 kernel (and it also EOF) if you can upgrade to kernel 3.12 that is LTS Kernel. i can't understand the logic in this decision .

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    Default Re: just want to know how much the channel /Kernel:/openSUSE-13.1/standard/get testing?

    On 2014-03-22 12:36, habernir2008 wrote:
    > and why the opensuse kernel team do extra work to patch 3.11 kernel (and
    > it also EOF) if you can upgrade to kernel 3.12 that is LTS Kernel. i
    > can't understand the logic in this decision .


    Because it is safer.

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    Default Re: just want to know how much the channel /Kernel:/openSUSE-13.1/standard/ get testing?

    please explain me how kernel 3.11 its safer then kernel 3.12 that its LTS and used for sle12 . and why isn't its extra work to patch and fix kernel 3.11 when you can used in sle12 and opensuse (and its a green edition thats its fits like a glove) the same kernel.

    i am not kernel frick but just want to know .

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    Default Re: just want to know how much the channel /Kernel:/openSUSE-13.1/standard/get testing?

    On 03/22/2014 11:56 AM, habernir2008 wrote:
    >
    > please explain me how kernel 3.11 its safer then kernel 3.12 that its
    > LTS and used for sle12 . and why isn't its extra work to patch and fix
    > kernel 3.11 when you can used in sle12 and opensuse (and its a green
    > edition thats its fits like a glove) the same kernel.
    >
    > i am not kernel frick but just want to know .


    Kernel 3.11 is "safer" only because it has had more testing with openSUSE 13.1
    than any newer kernel. If 3.12, 3.13, or 3.14 (after this weekend) work for you,
    then it is OK to switch. In my "work" I need to run the latest wireless kernel.
    At the moment, that is kernel 3.14-rc7 with all the wireless changes that will
    be in 3.15 and some of the changes that won't be out until 3.16. It works fine
    for my configuration, but it might fail miserably for yours. Only with the
    testing of the MSx, beta and RCx releases of openSUSE would those be exposed.
    Until that testing has been done, such a kernel is suspect.


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    Default Re: just want to know how much the channel /Kernel:/openSUSE-13.1/standard/get testing?

    On 2014-03-22 17:56, habernir2008 wrote:
    >
    > please explain me how kernel 3.11 its safer then kernel 3.12 that its
    > LTS and used for sle12 . and why isn't its extra work to patch and fix
    > kernel 3.11 when you can used in sle12 and opensuse (and its a green
    > edition thats its fits like a glove) the same kernel.
    >
    > i am not kernel frick but just want to know .


    Because the kernel supplied with the distribution has been tested with
    it, and the new one has not. Extensively tested, thousands of people
    (while the distribution was in factory). Changing to a new kernel may
    work, it does work for many people. But it might not work for some
    situations, and this would not be found till after deployment.

    It is possible, it does happen, actually, that when you upgrade a
    component in the distribution, some other component stops working, or
    fails partially.

    It is thus the policy of the distribution (has been for decades) NOT to
    officially update the version of any component of the distribution, but
    instead backport patches when needed for security or to solve certain bugs.

    There are some exceptions to this. For instance, mozilla gets upgrades,
    because it has been considered too complex to backport the changes, and
    risk of breakage is small, being an end application and not a library.

    But the kernel is such a core package that the implications of a problem
    there would have high risk. So they prefer not to change it unless
    absolutely needed.


    However, it is possible that we get that kernel update, eventually. I
    guess that the Evergreen people might do this, when the time comes,
    because they did it for 11.4. But they considered the move, and tested
    it, for months, before actually doing it.

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    Carlos E. R.
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    Default Re: just want to know how much the channel /Kernel:/openSUSE-13.1/standard/ get testing?

    Thanks for the explanation ,

    nir.

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