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    Hello,

    I have installed wine and I have separately installed office 2007 (going to its directory and typing wine winword.exe). but everytime I open Word, it re-configures Word every time and on top of that I cannot open or save a file. I found similar threads, but could not really make out how to resolve the issue.
    I have tried to use Libre Office and might end up using it, but there are certain things that are quite not-friendly in Libre Office. As I need to write up my PhD thesis, I would really like to use sth that is robust.

    Thank you in advance,
    Vasilis

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    On 2014-02-15 13:36, vpappasmet wrote:

    > As I
    > need to write up my PhD thesis, I would really like to use sth that is
    > robust.


    If you want robustness, you can not even think of using Word via wine in
    Linux. Either switch to LibreOffice, or use Word in Windows (real or
    virtualized).

    That you do not like the LO interface, that you need some missing Wword
    functionality... fine, acceptable. Robustness using a Windows program,
    via wine? No way.

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    Mmm...i like the fact that you seem quite sure for what you say. But, just as an example, what could be the worst thing that could happen to me using word via wine?

    Thanks.

    ps. I am thinking of starting LaTeX, although I am afraid this might take some time.

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    LaTeX is great but it has a very steep learning curve. In many ways it is better then any of the "word processors"

    As to wine it may be difficult or impossible to setup depending on the version of Word. You may also find that in general it runs but some functions may not work or cause a crash.

    You should go to the official wine site and read up.

    I run Windows in a VirtualBox VM any time I have to use Windows program. That way you get the best of both worlds and you can actually copy paste between the two OS's

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    Isn't LibreOffice's Writer quite all right?

    If you want Words on Linux the best option seems to be running WindowsX in a virtual environment:
    http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=31
    http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...ication&iId=10
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    or mabye you can try apache openoffice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vpappasmet View Post
    I have installed wine and I have separately installed office 2007 (going to its directory and typing wine winword.exe). but everytime I open Word, it re-configures Word every time and on top of that I cannot open or save a file. I found similar threads, but could not really make out how to resolve the issue.
    Word 2007 works very well in Wine. The usual cause of the problem you describe is an improper install. Did you follow the howto in http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...rsion&iId=4992 when you installed? You need to, particularly the parts about installing to a 32 bit wineprefix and leaving the Windows version in winecfg set at XP.

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    On 2014-02-15 19:46, vpappasmet wrote:
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    > Mmm...i like the fact that you seem quite sure for what you say. But,
    > just as an example, what could be the worst thing that could happen to
    > me using word via wine?


    Anything, ranging from nothing to total destruction :-)

    Nobody can warranty you that Word will work perfectly without crashes or
    problems. The wine people try their best to provide all the Windows
    function calls that Windows software will use (even hidden, non
    published functions!). Actually, they don't cover all cases, as proven
    by the fact that some applications do not even start.

    Nobody can know if Office, maybe a year from now, in the middle of your
    writeup, will use a function say when you use a paragraph format that
    nobody tried before when using wine, that will call some function that
    Wine does not provide, or that does not work right. Crash! Or failure.
    Or misbehavior.

    You can not know if something like this will happen or not. People just
    try an application under wine, and say: "It works!" But they have not
    tested absolutely all functionality.

    So... work, yes. You can use Word, yes. Robustness... certainly not.


    > ps. I am thinking of starting LaTeX, although I am afraid this might
    > take some time.


    Absolutely, it does take a lot of time. Or not, depending how fast you
    adapt to it. People that use it talk wonders of it.

    IMO, the most salient feature about it is that it provides absolutely
    consistent output on the entire book. All paragraphs are formatted
    accordingly to how you define them, for instance, on the entire book.
    You don't need to care about formatting trivia. It is not WYSIWYG.

    Like applying a change and see all instances on the document using that
    thing changing together, consistently. Not having to review the entire
    document clicking and changing all over the place. Yes, Word has styles,
    but this is... well, other world.

    It also works in Windows. I know people on the academic world using it,
    on Windows, very proficiently. I have see the result, with very complex
    mathematical formulae, absolutely perfect and consistent.

    I don't use it, though. Complicated to learn :-)


    On the other hand, there is LyX. It is not latex, but it does use some
    latex things, and shares some features. You can use a format for a book,
    and simply let LyX do the formatting. The result is simply perfect. On
    the other hand, it is not easy to customize. You can also use latex
    inserts in it.

    Have a look at it, there are examples that allow you to see what you can
    do with it. It is not latex, but it shares enough to guess what Latex
    would do.


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    Carlos E. R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    Nobody can warranty you that Word will work perfectly without crashes or
    problems.
    Nobody can warranty anyone that any piece of software will work perfectly without crashes or problems.

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    On 2014-02-16 21:06, dimesio wrote:
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    > robin_listas;2625135 Wrote:
    >>
    >> Nobody can warranty you that Word will work perfectly without crashes or
    >> problems.

    >
    > Nobody can warranty anyone that any piece of software will work
    > perfectly without crashes or problems.


    Yes, absolutely.

    But here there is an element of reverse engineering here. An uncharted
    territory. Wine tries to recreate the functions on the Windows API, even
    undocumented ones. This is very complicated. It is impossible to know in
    advance if a Windows application is going to use a function that has not
    been implemented unless in your tests of the application you happen to
    hit the user side usage that makes it use that API function. And if it
    exists, you don't know if it has been emulated correctly (even the bugs
    it has on Windows).

    This is not a thing that happens with native Linux programs. The
    developers use the functions that exist in the Linux API, they can not
    use non existent functions. And they test them, which is an important
    detail.

    A Microsoft developer will obviously not test to see if what he codes in
    Word works in Wine. In fact, he may even try subtle ways to make it fail.

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    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.

    (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))

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