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    Default Linux Preinstalled on phones and Tablets, petition to OEMs!

    Hello OpenSuse friends,

    This petition just started in order to show to Phone and Tablet manufacturers that there is huge demand for REAL and FULLY fledged Linux like OpenSuse PREINSTALLED on their devices and not stripped down and corporate controlled OSs like ChromeOS and Android!

    If you agree, please take a moment to sign:
    http://www.change.org/en-AU/petition...tition_created

    Thank you and hasta la victoria siempre!

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    Default Re: Linux Preinstalled on phones and Tablets, petition to OEMs!

    On 2014-01-21, Citizenious <Citizenious@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
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    > Hello OpenSuse friends,
    >
    > This petition just started in order to show to Phone and Tablet
    > manufacturers that there is huge demand for REAL and FULLY fledged Linux
    > like OpenSuse PREINSTALLED on their devices and not stripped down and
    > corporate controlled OSs like ChromeOS and Android!
    >
    > If you agree, please take a moment to sign:
    > http://tinyurl.com/mtzzehm
    >
    > Thank you and hasta la victoria siempre!


    I think in such appeals, you should really be more specific. Do you mean just Linux (which Android certainly is) or
    GNU/Linux (which Android certainly isn't).

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    Default Re: Linux Preinstalled on phones and Tablets, petition to OEMs!

    I mean GNU/Linux! If you read the petition page it is clearly stated :-)

    Thanks for the clarification.

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    Default Re: Linux Preinstalled on phones and Tablets, petition to OEMs!

    Not tried http://jolla.com/ yet?

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    Default Re: Linux Preinstalled on phones and Tablets, petition to OEMs!

    On 2014-01-21 15:46, Citizenious wrote:
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    > I mean GNU/Linux! If you read the petition page it is clearly stated :-)
    >
    > Thanks for the clarification.


    It is futile and naive.

    You have first to create phones using pure Linux and offer it to the
    masses. I'd bet they will not take them. Only those people that are
    already convinced to use Linux.

    You will not convince businesses to shoot their own foot by trying to
    create such a competition, no matter how many people petition for it.


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    On 2014-01-21, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
    > You have first to create phones using pure Linux and offer it to the
    > masses. I'd bet they will not take them. Only those people that are
    > already convinced to use Linux.


    What do you mean by `pure Linux'? Android is 100% Linux. And so a `pure Linux' has already been offered to masses and
    very successfully. It's the fact that it's 0% GNU which is what makes it so different from regular distros. With this
    kind of misterminology, I'm becoming somewhat sympathetic to the FSF's desire to adopt the terminology of `GNU/Linux' as
    distinct from `Linux' when referring to the operating system.

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    On 2014-01-22 02:01, flymail wrote:
    > On 2014-01-21, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
    >> You have first to create phones using pure Linux and offer it to the
    >> masses. I'd bet they will not take them. Only those people that are
    >> already convinced to use Linux.

    >
    > What do you mean by `pure Linux'? Android is 100% Linux. And so a `pure Linux' has already been offered to masses and
    > very successfully. It's the fact that it's 0% GNU which is what makes it so different from regular distros. With this
    > kind of misterminology, I'm becoming somewhat sympathetic to the FSF's desire to adopt the terminology of `GNU/Linux' as
    > distinct from `Linux' when referring to the operating system.


    It is Linux underneath, but you can not use it. It is irrelevant. What
    everybody knows is the Android system on top and the zillions of
    applications on top. Many gratis and some payware.

    Many users do not know and do not even care that there is a Linux layer
    on those phones.

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    Carlos E. R.
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    On 2014-01-22 03:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
    > On 2014-01-22 02:01, flymail wrote:


    > It is Linux underneath, but you can not use it. It is irrelevant. What
    > everybody knows is the Android system on top and the zillions of
    > applications on top. Many gratis and some payware.
    >
    > Many users do not know and do not even care that there is a Linux layer
    > on those phones.


    And I forgot to mention that to distribute android apps, you have to
    abide by their rules. It is not an open environment. Or got your own
    route, which means that if devs want to use a map, they can not use
    google maps. You have to provide them something else for maps. Amazon is
    doing this, I believe.

    Does anybody distribute Linux apps you can run on Android devices,
    without rooting it (and voiding the warranty)?

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    Carlos E. R.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    You have first to create phones using pure Linux and offer it to the
    masses. I'd bet they will not take them. Only those people that are
    already convinced to use Linux.

    You will not convince businesses to shoot their own foot by trying to
    create such a competition, no matter how many people petition for it.
    What you say doesn't make sense. I think all OEMs except (microsoft & apple)liked it very much when they got Android for free and they didn't have to rely solely on MS for expensive, not functional, proprietary OS for mobile devices.

    What I'm petitioning for is "the next step" after Android. The mobile devices (phones, tablets) are becoming more and more full PCs, so they need a fully fledged OS like OpenSuse or Ubuntu Touch otherwise the OEMs will have to go back to MS Windows again. This is the opportunity for Linux, if you don't understand it I can't help you.

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    Default Re: Linux Preinstalled on phones and Tablets, petition to OEMs!

    On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 02:28:11 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

    > Does anybody distribute Linux apps you can run on Android devices,
    > without rooting it (and voiding the warranty)?


    Rooting doesn't necessarily void the warranty. Depends on the carrier.

    The point that Android uses the Linux kernel, though, is correct. There
    are plenty of systems that use the Linux kernel that are less modifiable
    by default, though. Many consumer routers use a Linux kernel, but are
    locked down. OpenELEC is entirely Linux (runs XBMC), but it's locked
    down to the point you can't change root's password (not a problem if you
    leave SSH disabled or have other security in place to prevent access to
    the device).

    And yes, Amazon has their own market. So does Barnes & Noble.

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