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    Default Too new hardware for OpenSUSE 31.1 and for all the linux distributions?

    Hi,

    I have this computer: http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/produ...-780-Ti-250-GB
    In short my hardware is:

    • Processor: Intel Core i7 4770K 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Haswell, Turbo Boost and Hyper Threading
    • RAM: 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
    • GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX780 Ti 3 GB (DirectX11- ja CUDA-support)
    • MB: ASUS Z87-A, Intel Z87 chip, ATX
    • HD: 250 GB SSD SATA III operationsystem disk + 2 TB HDD 7200 rpm
    • OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-bit FIN, SWE, ENG, RUS

    Also

    • The newest Wacom Cintiq 24" HD Touch


    I use dual screen setup. Primary is Wacom and 2nd is regular Dell screen. Wacom is in main DVI slot of my GPU card.

    My problem is (applies to OpenSUSE 13.1 Gnome & KDE, Linux Mint 16, Ubuntu 12.04 (13.10 maybe to):
    1) I'm pretty sure OpenSUSE installation doesn't come with appropriate GPU drivers. Open sources drivers for sure are not suitable and NVIDIA drivers will start me in blank black screen if I install them.
    2) Dual screen setup is not recognized. I only have one monitor active which ever is connected in the main DVI slot.
    3) In display options Cintiq is marked as "Unrecognized screen" or something similar.

    Questions:
    1) Why all these problems? My hardware is not supported yet, too new?
    2) In Windows 8.1 my hard disk operates somehow as fusion driver, or atleast I think so. I have Win8 in SSD but also some windows files, which are identical from SSD, on my regular HD.
    Is this something I should also expecting from OpenSUSE?
    Which is best setup to make in install?
    How should I set up my partition, eg home folder in regular and system in SSD? When installing OpenSUSE what do I need to know to make full advantage of SSD. I do experience rather slow OS start up, atleast 10sec blackscreen before getting till desktop. Windows 8 does these things instantly on the other hand.
    3) With all these new hardware and horns and whistles should I just stay with Windows? I'm looking for a solid user experience. I'm design professional and using only Open source graphic programs which all run on Windows. I simply don't have time to solve problems regarding malfunctions, tweaking OS and building things from source etc etc. I need programs AND my hardware to run smoothly so that I will get my job done. This question is something I could answer myself but maybe you know something and can recommend me. I'm still somehow attracted to Linux but vastly irritated by the fact that no matter what distro and I have tried 10-20 different you just can't really have good and easy out-of-box experience.

    Best regards,

    Konstantin

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    Default Re: Too new hardware for OpenSUSE 31.1 and for all the linux distributions?

    On 2014-01-17 23:36, KozaG wrote:
    > 2) In Windows 8.1 my hard disk operates somehow as fusion driver, or
    > atleast I think so. I have Win8 in SSD but also some windows files,
    > which are identical from SSD, on my regular HD.
    > Is this something I should also expecting from OpenSUSE?


    There is a Windows mode, I never remember the name, which uses the SSD
    as cache of the rotating hard disk. Everything is in fact on the hard
    disk, but frequently accessed files are also on the ssd, automatically.
    And of course, they can change dynamically.

    Linux does not support that mode. It is possible that installing it
    destroys Windows.

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    Default Re: Too new hardware for OpenSUSE 31.1 and for all the linux distributions?

    Quote Originally Posted by KozaG View Post
    Hi,

    I have this computer: http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/produ...-780-Ti-250-GB
    In short my hardware is:

    • Processor: Intel Core i7 4770K 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Haswell, Turbo Boost and Hyper Threading
    • RAM: 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
    • GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX780 Ti 3 GB (DirectX11- ja CUDA-support)
    • MB: ASUS Z87-A, Intel Z87 chip, ATX
    • HD: 250 GB SSD SATA III operationsystem disk + 2 TB HDD 7200 rpm
    • OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-bit FIN, SWE, ENG, RUS

    Also

    • The newest Wacom Cintiq 24" HD Touch


    I use dual screen setup. Primary is Wacom and 2nd is regular Dell screen. Wacom is in main DVI slot of my GPU card.

    My problem is (applies to OpenSUSE 13.1 Gnome & KDE, Linux Mint 16, Ubuntu 12.04 (13.10 maybe to):
    1) I'm pretty sure OpenSUSE installation doesn't come with appropriate GPU drivers. Open sources drivers for sure are not suitable and NVIDIA drivers will start me in blank black screen if I install them.
    I solved this by disabling kernel mode drivers when installing, then after installation re-enabling. Apparently the graphics drivers loaded by GRUB can be a problem (black screen) but when the regular driver is loaded, all is good
    2) Dual screen setup is not recognized. I only have one monitor active which ever is connected in the main DVI slot.
    YMMV, but seems to me that the Desktop is taking over that functionality (multi-display) now. So, need to know which Desktop. I have a similar machine running Intel GPU with no problem display (KDE)
    3) In display options Cintiq is marked as "Unrecognized screen" or something similar.
    Need exact. Also, which driver and hardware specifically to speculate

    Questions:
    1) Why all these problems? My hardware is not supported yet, too new?
    Yes. My hardware is similar. Spent a lot of time researching history, support for the Intel CPU (and related) which was first launched approx. March 2012. Intel does not provide official Linux support, is all "community" so support isn't even possible until months after official launch and of course improved drivers take more time
    2) In Windows 8.1 my hard disk operates somehow as fusion driver, or atleast I think so. I have Win8 in SSD but also some windows files, which are identical from SSD, on my regular HD.
    Is this something I should also expecting from OpenSUSE?
    You're referring to Linux FUSE (Files in User Space). Absolutely normal
    Which is best setup to make in install?
    How should I set up my partition, eg home folder in regular and system in SSD? When installing OpenSUSE what do I need to know to make full advantage of SSD. I do experience rather slow OS start up, atleast 10sec blackscreen before getting till desktop. Windows 8 does these things instantly on the other hand.
    Download my slide deck presentation (not viewable on a Linux box apparently) https://sites.google.com/site/4techsecrets/slide-presentations-30min Although created for 12.2, except for the NVidia driver (is different for 12.2, 12.3 and 13.1) is applicable to all openSUSE later since
    3) With all these new hardware and horns and whistles should I just stay with Windows? I'm looking for a solid user experience. I'm design professional and using only Open source graphic programs which all run on Windows. I simply don't have time to solve problems regarding malfunctions, tweaking OS and building things from source etc etc. I need programs AND my hardware to run smoothly so that I will get my job done. This question is something I could answer myself but maybe you know something and can recommend me. I'm still somehow attracted to Linux but vastly irritated by the fact that no matter what distro and I have tried 10-20 different you just can't really have good and easy out-of-box experience.
    Currently on this box which is similar to yours I'm finding my Broadcom NIC issue too difficult to deal with today so have not given up Windows

    Best regards,

    Konstantin
    Comments inline above.
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    Default Re: Too new hardware for OpenSUSE 31.1 and for all the linux distributions?

    On 2014-01-18 02:16, tsu2 wrote:
    > Comments inline above.


    They are not seen as such via nntp. Your entire post looks as if it was
    created by the OP.

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    Default Re: Too new hardware for OpenSUSE 31.1 and for all the linux distributions?

    Its a possibility, at least for now.
    Nvidia and linux can be tricky and depending on your device the newer the kernel the better if using newer hardware.
    At current openSUSE uses kernel 3.11 but its unknown if the latest kernel (3.12) will work (you can always try it after initial install, just dont install the nvidia drivers)
    I dont know of any real distro that uses kernel 3.12 right now unless you go debian sid and that may be too unstable.

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    Default Re: Too new hardware for OpenSUSE 31.1 and for all the linux distributions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadmanRB View Post
    I dont know of any real distro that uses kernel 3.12 right now unless you go debian sid and that may be too unstable.
    openSUSE Tumbleweed (based on 13.1) now uses 3.12 kernel, and has already updated through several of its releases. I use Tumbleweed and found it to have good stability since its beginning. It also has its own sub-forum.

    http://en.opensuse.org/Tumbleweed

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    Default Re: Too new hardware for OpenSUSE 31.1 and for all the linux distributions?

    KozaG wrote:

    <Quote>
    > Hi,
    >
    > I have this computer: http://tinyurl.com/nkdapnz
    > In short my hardware is:
    >
    >
    > - Processor: Intel Core i7 4770K 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Haswell, Turbo
    > Boost and Hyper Threading
    > - RAM: 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
    > - GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX780* Ti* 3 GB (DirectX11- ja CUDA-support)
    > - MB: ASUS Z87-A, Intel Z87 chip, ATX
    > - HD: 250 GB SSD SATA III operationsystem disk + 2 TB HDD 7200 rpm
    > - OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-bit FIN, SWE, ENG, RUS
    >
    > Also
    >
    >
    > - The newest Wacom Cintiq 24" HD Touch
    >
    >
    > I use dual screen setup. Primary is Wacom and 2nd is regular Dell
    > screen. Wacom is in main DVI slot of my GPU card.
    > Konstantin
    >

    </Quote>

    I can tell you that openSUSE 13.1 will work with the Z87 chipset on a i5
    Quad core 2.7GHZ GigaByte motherboard with a single monitor. I am also
    running the latest NVIDIA driver (331-38) released on Monday of last
    week. It actual solved several kmail and akonadi problems I had, at
    least they have not happened since installing it.

    I am using GPT partition but not secure boot.

    Not sure if these comments will help you.

    Russ
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    Default Re: Too new hardware for OpenSUSE 31.1 and for all the linux distributions?

    tsu2 wrote:
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    > KozaG;2616961 Wrote:
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> Download my slide deck presentation (not viewable on a Linux box
    >> apparently)
    >> 'https://sites.google.com/site/4techsecrets/slide-presentations-30min'
    >> (https://sites.google.com/site/4techs...ntations-30min)

    >


    I can view the presentations on Linux. I use LibreOffice 4.X
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    Default Re: Too new hardware for OpenSUSE 31.1 and for all the linux distributions?

    Tremendous thanks for your help! Really appreciate this.

    I'm going to install OpenSUSE 13.1 Gnome. Gnome because I need Wacom calibration utility. Gnome 3 has the best utility for that.

    Couple of questions:

    1) How to actually disablekernel mode drivers when installing, then after installation re-enabling it?

    2) To try the latest kernel the Tumbleweed is best way to go, I assume? To install Tumbleweed I first need to install OpenSUSE 13.1 and then execute commands listed here http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed under "How to try Tumbleweed"? There is not ready live DVD for it?

    3) To use Linux FUSE should I activate it somehow or make particular partition before OS install? Last time I tried OpenSUSE I had system files (boot) and 16GB Swap in SSD (80GB partition) and my home partition in regular HD (800GB partition). Will this be OK and best way to benefit from SSD speed? Using Linux FUSE will not explode or destroy my windows files anyhow? robin_listas mentioned about this so have to be sure.

    4) What is the difference to use or not to Secure boot?

    5) Searching the internet I understand that Btrfs file system is safe to use. Problems that I experienced have nothing to do with file system, right?

    Thanks!

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    Default Re: Too new hardware for OpenSUSE 31.1 and for all the linux distributions?

    Quote Originally Posted by KozaG View Post
    2) To try the latest kernel the Tumbleweed is best way to go, I assume? To install Tumbleweed I first need to install OpenSUSE 13.1 and then execute commands listed here http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed under "How to try Tumbleweed"? There is not ready live DVD for it?

    ...

    ...

    5) Searching the internet I understand that Btrfs file system is safe to use. Problems that I experienced have nothing to do with file system, right?
    Its the best way if you want to add the "latest stable" version of packages such as the kernel. Its not as bleeding edge as packages in the Factory repos. You need to install standard 13.1 first, as there is no live media for installing Tumbleweed. Then you basically setup the Tumbleweed repo(s) and perform a distribution upgrade using "zypper dup". In addition, there is an additional installation guide/article provided here: https://forums.opensuse.org/content....-to-Tumbleweed

    If you want to use btrfs I suggest you do some additional reading specific to openSUSE's implementation, from official documentation, for example:

    http://activedoc.opensuse.org/book/o...ced-disk-setup See section 3.1.2.1 Btrfs Partitioning, on that page.

    http://activedoc.opensuse.org/book/o...k-with-snapper That will explain the current "default"openSUSE setup if you select btrfs at installation time. Note, btrfs is not the default file system on 13.1 and earlier. You will need larger partition sizes, especially for root partition with snapshots, and a bit more if using Tumbleweed as well. I used btrfs with Tumbleweed on 12.3 and now 13.1, and it has been stable, but there are overheads, especially with the default snapshot frequency and retention periods but they can be easily reconfigured as described in the documentation.

    If you decide to implement that, we can help further as necessary.
    Leap 42.3 (ext4, KDE Plasma 5.8.7) ~ stable
    Manjaro (ext4, Xfce) ~ rolling updates
    Tumbleweed (ext4, KDE Plasma5) ~ managed updates via "Tumbleweed Snapshots" service.

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