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    Default Re: Looking for advice on installing on UEFI desktop

    On Thu 16 Jan 2014 08:16:02 PM CST, oldcpu wrote:


    I purchased a new desktop PC , as documented in this thread:
    http://tinyurl.com/m6uswtp

    I'M LOOKING FOR OPINIONS ON HOW TO INSTALL AN OS ON THIS PC IF UEFI/GPT
    IS SELECTED ?
    The PC comes with a 2 TB hard drive, and a 256 GB SSD drive, and without
    an operating system installed (at my request). The motherboard is a
    Gigabyte Z87X-D3H which supports UEFI.

    I'm thinking of puting on the 256GB SSD drive the following;


    - freedos - which may be possible per :
    https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/h.../msg00047.html
    - windows7 - it appears this may need to go on first , albeit I would
    prefer to install it later
    - openSUSE-13.1 ( / root partition)
    - openSUSE-TBD (some TBD milestone/beta release)
    - swap
    Hi
    Why free-dos, you do realize that BIOS updates can be done via efi
    and/or a usb device? Well that's how HP's do the update, or re-install
    if it bricks (one nice feature of HP's)

    Install Windows onto the rotating drive, as in disconnect the ssd, then
    just use dd to copy the efi partition onto the ssd after it's
    reconnected, then install openSUSE on the ssd and don't format the efi
    partition, but set to /boot/efi as the mount point.

    This is the method I used for windows 8/8.1.

    Not worth putting any /tmp or /var/tmp on the rotating drive (it will
    slow down the boot as systemd has to mount these), just adjust the io
    schedule. You will need to do this as your mixing ssd and rotating
    drives. Set the swapiness and you should be good to go.

    I just use the ssd here, this is a dual core machine 1.9GHz, nothing
    fancy and from power on to desktop is between 8 to 10.5 seconds;
    Code:
    systemd-analyze
    Startup finished in 3.576s (firmware) + 27ms (loader) + 2.832s (kernel) + 2.180s (userspace) = 8.617s
    I use gummiboot, no plymouth and no delay, just power on and go...

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    Hi oldcpu.

    You might be interested reading this link.
    The key words are " protected MBR in a GPT"
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr.../gg463525.aspx

    Might give you some interesting hint to make the two world work.

    Edit:
    i am waiting for my SSD and HD this week and I will be following this thread
    for my installation as one of my references.
    People who do not break things first will never learn to create anything

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    Default Re: Looking for advice on installing on UEFI desktop

    On Thu 16 Jan 2014 09:26:01 PM CST, ratzi wrote:


    ratzi;2616666 Wrote:
    > I just couldn't get windows 7 install on a GPT partition.


    This should read:

    I just couldn't get windows 7 installed on a drive with a GPT partition
    table.


    Hi
    I do it all the time with laptops, no issues at all, you need to make
    sure it's 64bit (a 32bit license is valid for 64bit as well). Did you
    create the additional ms partition?
    sda1 - 260MB type ef00
    sda2 - 128MB type 0c01
    mkfs.vfat -F 16 /dev/sda1
    [/CODE]
    Else let the windows install dvd do it's thing (I use an oem one).

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    Default Re: Looking for advice on installing on UEFI desktop

    Quote Originally Posted by conram View Post
    You might be interested reading this link.
    The key words are " protected MBR in a GPT"
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr.../gg463525.aspx

    Might give you some interesting hint to make the two world work.
    Thanks. Its an interesting read.

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    Default Re: Looking for advice on installing on UEFI desktop

    Quote Originally Posted by malcolmlewis View Post
    Did you
    create the additional ms partition?
    Code:
    sda1 - 260MB type ef00
    sda2 - 128MB type 0c01
    mkfs.vfat -F 16 /dev/sda1
    Else let the windows install dvd do it's thing (I use an oem one).
    If I read that quote correctly, I could create those partitions in advance of any install (with gparted), initially carving up the disks the way I want prior to installing any OS ? Then follow your previous suggestion wrt disconnecting/installing/connecting/copying drives and EFI content when installing Win7.

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    Default Re: Looking for advice on installing on UEFI desktop

    Quote Originally Posted by ratzi View Post
    You may end up with an MBR for your SSD and a GPT for your hard disk.

    But I have no idea if windows 7 will support this,
    I'm thinking Win7 needs the reverse. ie GPT for SSD (boot) and MBR for HD (data) could work. Reference: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr....aspx#MixMatch and I quote from it:
    Quote Originally Posted by microsoft faq
    Q. What about mixing and matching GPT and MBR disks on the same system?
    A. GPT and MBR disks can be mixed on systems that support GPT, as described earlier. However, you must be aware of the following restrictions:

    • Systems that support UEFI require that boot partition must reside on a GPT disk. Other hard disks can be either MBR or GPT.
    • Both MBR and GPT disks can be present in a single dynamic disk group. Volume sets can span both MBR and GPT disks.
    Having typed the above, if I can succeed I would prefer to have both SSD and HD as GPT.

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    Default Re: Looking for advice on installing on UEFI desktop

    Hi again,

    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    I'm thinking Win7 needs the reverse. ie GPT for SSD (boot) and MBR for HD (data) could work. Reference: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr....aspx#MixMatch and I quote from it:

    Having typed the above, if I can succeed I would prefer to have both SSD and HD as GPT.
    The point is, to which windows (7 or 8) the writer is referring.

    Citation: "Systems that support UEFI require that boot partition must reside on a GPT disk."

    Is this about windows 8?

    This just isn't true for windows 7, which is the version that you would like to install.

    Windows 7, on my PC, boots just fine from the only hard disk that I have, which has an MBR now
    (after several installations of openSUSE and win 7 in UEFI mode).

    Yours
    Mike

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    Dear Malcolm,

    Quote Originally Posted by malcolmlewis View Post
    Hi
    I do it all the time with laptops, no issues at all, you need to make
    sure it's 64bit (a 32bit license is valid for 64bit as well).
    I have a 64bit windows 7.

    Quote Originally Posted by malcolmlewis View Post
    Did you create the additional ms partition?
    I didn't create it myself, I ran the windows 7 installer from the windows DVD, and that one created that partition.

    But that was on my hard disk when it had an MBR.

    If I first installed openSUSE 12.1 in UEFI mode, which created a GPT on the hard disk,
    windows 7 thereafter just refused to install on that disk.

    Yours
    Mike

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    Default Re: Looking for advice on installing on UEFI desktop

    On Thu 16 Jan 2014 10:16:02 PM CST, oldcpu wrote:


    malcolmlewis;2616692 Wrote:
    > Did you
    > create the additional ms partition?
    > >

    Code:
    --------------------
    > >

    > sda1 - 260MB type ef00
    > sda2 - 128MB type 0c01
    > mkfs.vfat -F 16 /dev/sda1
    >

    --------------------
    > >

    > Else let the windows install dvd do it's thing (I use an oem one).
    >


    If I read that quote correctly, I could create those partitions in
    advance of any install (with gparted), initially carving up the disks
    the way I want prior to installing any OS ? Then follow your previous
    suggestion wrt disconnecting/installing/connecting/copying drives and
    EFI content when installing Win7.


    Hi
    Yes, windows will respect them, else just boot from the windows dvd in
    UEFI mode (You need to ensure the drive is gpt ready though) and it
    will create etc, the can move sda1, not sure about sda2 to the ssd from
    the rotating drive.

    If you want to see how it goes in UEFI/Secure boot, then grab the
    openSUSE Rescue CD, a toolkit must these days, image it to a USB device
    and if you install additional apps etc, they remain persistent over
    reboots.

    Does Windows 7 work with secure boot?

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    Default Re: Looking for advice on installing on UEFI desktop

    On Thu 16 Jan 2014 11:06:01 PM CST, ratzi wrote:


    Dear Malcolm,

    malcolmlewis;2616692 Wrote:
    > Hi
    > I do it all the time with laptops, no issues at all, you need to make
    > sure it's 64bit (a 32bit license is valid for 64bit as well).


    I have a 64bit windows 7.

    malcolmlewis;2616692 Wrote:
    > Did you create the additional ms partition?


    I didn't create it myself, I ran the windows 7 installer from the
    windows DVD, and that one created that partition.

    But that was on my hard disk when it had an MBR.

    If I first installed openSUSE 12.1 in UEFI mode, which created a GPT on
    the hard disk,
    windows 7 thereafter just refused to install on that disk.

    Yours
    Mike


    Hi
    You always need to install windows on it's own disk gpt disk first, the
    nature of the operating system.... if you have a fast enough machine,
    you can always virtualize it...?

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