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    Default KDE3, KDE4, Trinity(TDE) and XFCE

    Hi all,

    maybe I will post more about my reasons for installing openSUSE 13.1 and the odyssey needed for this later, because it may help
    other users (one example: I had to edit fstab manually to make my NTFS partitions usable - this is absolutely NO GO).

    SUSE is great and mighty - seems, I found "my new linux" for the next years, but there are still some problems.

    For the moment, I will focus on 2 issues:

    1) (solved)
    I always wondered, why I see something totally different when opening yast or software-management in KDE/TDE or XFCE.
    I found the solution here:
    https://forums.opensuse.org/english/...erface-qt.html
    A big "thank you" to user "caf4926"!
    No, Software Management is made much easier and clearer by making sure your UI in Yast is GTK!

    2) (unsolved)
    I installed KDE3 from the SUSE repositories.
    The system tray of KDE3 is simply unusable in later versions - i mean, it's a joke!
    The icon size (16x16) seems to be somehow "hard-coded" (google-search) - so, you have no chance.
    I installed Trinity (TDE) - absolutely great, except one thing (of course, this is a joke too ):
    They don't have my beloved (I use this app since maybe 15 years?) ksensors in their package list.
    The versions from the SUSE repositories don't work and the message is always the same - something like
    "libkdeui.so.4 not found".
    The XFCE sensors-applet doesn't work with KDE/TDE.

    So, here are my 2 questions:

    a) obviously

    b) Why doesn't SUSE support TDE (instead of KDE3)...???


    BTW: Please be aware that English is not my native language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawo View Post
    No, Software Management is made much easier and clearer by making sure your UI in Yast is GTK!
    Opinions are going to vary over that.

    I prefer the "qt" interface. But I seem to recall that there are some options available with the "gtk" interface that are not present with "qt".

    In any case, you can start Yast from the command line (as root) with:
    Code:
    # yast2 --qt
    or with:
    Code:
    # yast2 --gtk
    to specify a particular interface.

    Perhaps you would like to comment on why you prefer the "gtk" version.
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    I prefer the yast2 qt.
    It's the one I grew up in openSUSE
    People who do not break things first will never learn to create anything

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    Default Re: KDE3, KDE4, Trinity(TDE) and XFCE

    Quote Originally Posted by shawo View Post
    b) Why doesn't SUSE support TDE (instead of KDE3)...???
    OpenSUSEBinaryInstallation < Documentation < Trinity Desktop Environment Wiki
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    @nrickert
    Opinions are going to vary over that.
    Yes, and this is addressed to caf4926, so i copied his statement
    and changed it to it's contrary.

    Perhaps you would like to comment on why you prefer the "gtk" version.
    Yes, it was mainly this view that I missed in the "qt" version:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0B...it?usp=sharing
    I mean, this is even better than synaptics.


    @farcusnz
    Of course, I know this page.
    It shows, that TDE is supporting openSUSE.
    But, openSUSE doesn't support TDE in the same way as KDE3.

    @all
    The fact that KDE3 isn't offered as "other desktop" during the installation procedure is frustrating.
    My path to the stage where I am now was like this:
    -Installed openSUSE with KDE4, XFCE and LXDE
    -Installed TDE
    -Installed nvidia drivers what caused a unusable system
    -Tried to correct this with the installation DVD ---> fail (*)
    -New Installation
    -Realized, that you can install a KDE3 desktop
    -Installed KDE3 desktop ---> unusable system tray
    -Installed TDE again

    (*) This is another story, maybe more later.
    For the moment only this:
    If you want to know what is a real user friendly linux, specially in terms of system
    restoration, download the latest live-dvd of MEPIS 8.0.x (what was my OS for the
    past 5 years or so).
    This is what i mean when I say: There is still much to be done for the openSUSE project.

    One more thing.
    I am not one of those KDE4 haters. In the past 2 weeks or so, I even saw a chance to get
    familiar with KDE4. But, about one total system crash all 2 days is simply too much!
    So, my current preference order is
    1. TDE
    2. XFCE
    3. LXDE
    4. KDE3
    5. KDE4



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    Default Re: KDE3, KDE4, Trinity(TDE) and XFCE

    Quote Originally Posted by shawo View Post
    Yes, it was mainly this view that I missed in the "qt" version:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0B...it?usp=sharing
    I mean, this is even better than synaptics.
    Okay, thanks.

    Personally, I prefer "qt", but I am aware that there are some different options available on the gtk interface.
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    openSUSE took a different approach to KDE3 and 4 when KDE4 was introduced; they enabled them to operate side by side and for a while you could choose either; however, since KDE4 essentially became stable, a full KDE3 desktop is not really feasible. However, you can still run KDE3 programs from a KDE4 desktop which I have continued to do so because there are still KDE3 programs for which there is no KDE4 equivalent.

    Unless you are totally against the look of Plasma, why not use KDE4 as your desktop and then organise System settings>File associations so that KDE3 programs are the default selections?

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    Default Re: KDE3, KDE4, Trinity(TDE) and XFCE

    Quote Originally Posted by shawo View Post


    @farcusnz
    Of course, I know this page.
    It shows, that TDE is supporting openSUSE.
    But, openSUSE doesn't support TDE in the same way as KDE3.


    The fact that KDE3 isn't offered as "other desktop" during the installation procedure is frustrating.
    openSUSE already supports more DEs than most distros.
    I guess they have to draw the line somewhere.



    One more thing.
    I am not one of those KDE4 haters. In the past 2 weeks or so, I even saw a chance to get
    familiar with KDE4. But, about one total system crash all 2 days is simply too much!
    this certainly isn't an indication of a usual KDE4 experience so may indicate you have some system problems.
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    Correction:
    I mean, this is even better than synaptics.

    I meant Synaptic, of course.


    @john_hudson
    they enabled them to operate side by side

    TDE and KDE4 are operating side by side too.

    why not use KDE4 as your desktop and then organise System settings>File associations so that KDE3 programs are the default selections?

    A big misunderstanding. I am not interested mainly in KDE3 programs (with very few exceptions: ksensors, amarok...?).
    I am interested in the KDE3/TDE desktop!

    Unless you are totally against the look of Plasma

    I am not against Plasma, I am against system crashes (see above post).


    @farcusnz
    this certainly isn't an indication of a usual KDE4 experience so may indicate you have some system problems.

    Well, maybe I have very special system problems?
    In the past 6 weeks or so, I installed and tested about a dozen combinations of distributions and desktops and only when KDE4
    was involved, I had problems with system crashes (and, btw, i didn't find anything helpful in the log files).
    My current uptime with TDE is about 2 days, but it was already much longer before.
    And, because I am still in "testing mode", I do wired things like keeping two browsers with about a hundred of tabs open.

    As I can say so far, the combination openSUSE/TDE is rock-stable!


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    Yesterday , I decided to try KDE4 once more and maybe find out what causes the crashes.
    No chance - 3 crashes within less than 24 hours and nothing helpful in the sys-log.

    I am now back with TDE and even found a replacement for ksensors: kima.
    Pretty weird at first start but ok after configuration.
    Strange: kima is the first (linux) application on this pc showing the speed of the cpu-fan
    and it's the first _not_ showing the gpu temperature.
    But, anyway, ksensors will be part of the next TDE release.

    So, there is only one small problem left: No notifications about updates.
    Found something like "pk-update-icon" and "yum" in the software manager, maybe I will try tomorrow.
    Any ideas?

    Btw: if anybody has a problem with this (I am aware, getting somehow "blog-like") thread, let me know.

    Greetings

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