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    Default What future PDF ?

    All, have you come across any discussion on the future of pdf ? According to this post it does not look rosy for this popular format for Linux Fans.

    Adobe Reader - openSUSE

    I would love to see a wide ranging discussion of how we move forward with or without pdf. There are times when we need a fully fledged pdf editor. Okular does a respectable job at reading pdf - all good, but at times we need something more. I would be prepared to pay for a Linux pdf editor. In the past I have used Foxit and PDF Architect, both good Windows pdf editors. I don't know why they can't offer them on Linux. And yes we may have to pay. Not all Linux Officianados are in the free software camp, especially if Linux is our daily work platform. But some software creators continue to be stuck in the past - head in the sand - and cannot see outside of their beloved Windows. Anyway moving ahead, should be be creating xml documents, and do we have a xml printer in cups similar to pdf printer?

    What do you think? The pdf format has been great at our work place. Having a format that can be viewed easily in Windows or Linux has been a great thing for ease of use and balancing the Windows dominance. Do we/can we move to something else? In my case I would need a document printer that would be available in a CAD application for printing - alongside the pdf printer.

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    Default Re: What future PDF ?

    You might be interested in reading this recent discussion

    https://forums.opensuse.org/english/...er-13-1-a.html

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    On 2014-01-01 02:26, cabernet wrote:
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    > All, have you come across any discussion on the future of pdf ?
    > According to this post it does not look rosy for this popular format for
    > Linux Fans.


    Notice that there is no problem at all for normal users. You can create PDFs, read them in any
    operating system, and print them. No problem at all. That part of PDF is a standard published long
    ago and supported by many applications.


    The people that are affected by Adobe leaving the Linux camp are people like me using certain
    advanced features. For example, a signed and certified PDF document: in Linux you can not verify the
    signature. Do you use those? I do, but do you?

    The other feature are certain PDF Forms that use javascript code: the code is not supported in
    Linux. Are you affected by that?

    Your post does not mention any of those features, so you are not affected by this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On 2014-01-01 02:26, cabernet wrote:
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    > All, have you come across any discussion on the future of pdf ?
    > According to this post it does not look rosy for this popular format for
    > Linux Fans.


    Notice that there is no problem at all for normal users. You can create PDFs, read them in any
    operating system, and print them. No problem at all. That part of PDF is a standard published long
    ago and supported by many applications.


    The people that are affected by Adobe leaving the Linux camp are people like me using certain
    advanced features. For example, a signed and certified PDF document: in Linux you can not verify the
    signature. Do you use those? I do, but do you?

    The other feature are certain PDF Forms that use javascript code: the code is not supported in
    Linux. Are you affected by that?

    Your post does not mention any of those features, so you are not affected by this issue.

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    Carlos E. R.
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    I make use of the editing features in Adobe and Foxit freeware version, for marking up drawings, inserting notes etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabernet View Post
    I make use of the editing features in Adobe and Foxit freeware version, for marking up drawings, inserting notes etc.
    Have you installed Foxit Reader via wine? (I have 6.12.1224 installed for interest's sake.) It might suffice for your needs. There is also a proprietary application called Able2Extract (can be downloaded for trial) that may allow you to edit/convert as required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deano_ferrari View Post
    Have you installed Foxit Reader via wine? (I have 6.12.1224 installed for interest's sake.) It might suffice for your needs. There is also a proprietary application called Able2Extract (can be downloaded for trial) that may allow you to edit/convert as required.
    I thought that xml was supposed to be an open document exchange format. Should we be producing xml documents for sharing with other staff and interchanging with other businesses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabernet View Post
    I thought that xml was supposed to be an open document exchange format. Should we be producing xml documents for sharing with other staff and interchanging with other businesses?
    This is a simple ideology, but with complicated answers.

    The problem is Adobe employs a lot of proprietary formats such as XFA (Adobe XML Forms Architecture), which is not part of the PDF ISO 32000-1 standard.

    Many would argue that using the OpenDocument file format (ODF) is the way to go

    https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/XML_File_Formats

    LibreOffice can be used to create PDF forms that can be read by other PDF viewers

    Create PDF Forms with LibreOffice

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    Default Re: What future PDF ?

    cabernet wrote:
    >
    > All, have you come across any discussion on the future of pdf ?
    > According to this post it does not look rosy for this popular format for
    > Linux Fans.
    >
    > 'Adobe Reader - openSUSE' (http://en.opensuse.org/Adobe_Reader)
    >
    > I would love to see a wide ranging discussion of how we move forward
    > with or without pdf. There are times when we need a fully fledged pdf
    > editor. Okular does a respectable job at reading pdf - all good, but at
    > times we need something more. I would be prepared to pay for a Linux pdf
    > editor. In the past I have used Foxit and PDF Architect, both good
    > Windows pdf editors. I don't know why they can't offer them on Linux.
    > And yes we may have to pay. Not all Linux Officianados are in the free
    > software camp, especially if Linux is our daily work platform. But some
    > software creators continue to be stuck in the past - head in the sand -
    > and cannot see outside of their beloved Windows. Anyway moving ahead,
    > should be be creating xml documents, and do we have a xml printer in
    > cups similar to pdf printer?
    >
    > What do you think? The pdf format has been great at our work place.
    > Having a format that can be viewed easily in Windows or Linux has been a
    > great thing for ease of use and balancing the Windows dominance. Do
    > we/can we move to something else? In my case I would need a document
    > printer that would be available in a CAD application for printing -
    > alongside the pdf printer.
    >
    >

    Using Latest version of LibreOffice we can edit pdfs very well.
    Screenshot available in below link



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    On 2014-01-01 12:16, deano ferrari wrote:
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    > cabernet;2612829 Wrote:
    >> I thought that xml was supposed to be an open document exchange format.
    >> Should we be producing xml documents for sharing with other staff and
    >> interchanging with other businesses?

    > This is a simple ideology, but with complicated answers.
    >
    > The problem is Adobe employs a lot of proprietary formats such as XFA
    > (Adobe XML Forms Architecture), which is not part of the PDF ISO
    > 32000-1 standard.
    >
    > Many would argue that using the OpenDocument file format (ODF) is the
    > way to go


    I wonder what the municipality of Munich is using. They migrated entirely to Linux, over a well
    designed path, which they took a decade to implement.

    > https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/elibrary...ss-story-never


    No mention of this particular problem.


    > https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/XML_File_Formats
    >
    > LibreOffice can be used to create PDF forms that can be read by other
    > PDF viewers


    Yes. But the current problem is interacting with PDF forms created by others, containing javascript
    code.

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    On 2014-01-01 08:46, cabernet wrote:
    > I make use of the editing features in Adobe and Foxit freeware version,
    > for marking up drawings, inserting notes etc.


    Ah. Editing.

    Well, foxit does run under Wine, it works. Signature verification does not, though.

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