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    Default Can I install Windows XP after opensuse 12.3 ?

    Opensuse 12.3
    KDE 4.10.5

    Previously I had Windows XP and I.nstalled Opensuse 12.3 on top of it and Grub kept things straight.
    Well, after a crash, I reinstalled openSuse 12.3 and had forgotten to install Windows 1st.

    So, in an attempt to "fix" things, I installed VirtualBox and Windows XP within it.
    That was not a good solution as XP is so painfully slow as to be not useable.

    So, can I install XP on top of 12.3 and have Grub keep them straight ? IE so I have a dual boot box. .
    Or am I going to have to start fresh, install XP 1st, then 12.3 ? I hope not.

    thanks
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    Default Re: Can I install Windows XP after opensuse 12.3 ?

    Simple answer: no. Windows XP expects to be on the first partition.

    That does not mean it is impossible but you may find it is less hassle to let Windows XP install over openSUSE and then re-install openSUSE. It depends on how much time/skill you have to deal with the potential problems.

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    Default Re: Can I install Windows XP after opensuse 12.3 ?

    Quote Originally Posted by hextejas View Post
    Opensuse 12.3
    KDE 4.10.5

    Previously I had Windows XP and I.nstalled Opensuse 12.3 on top of it and Grub kept things straight.
    Well, after a crash, I reinstalled openSuse 12.3 and had forgotten to install Windows 1st.

    So, in an attempt to "fix" things, I installed VirtualBox and Windows XP within it.
    That was not a good solution as XP is so painfully slow as to be not useable.

    So, can I install XP on top of 12.3 and have Grub keep them straight ? IE so I have a dual boot box. .
    Or am I going to have to start fresh, install XP 1st, then 12.3 ? I hope not.

    thanks
    Unfortunately, when dealing with Windows it must be installed first. Then install openSUSE on the next partition after Windows.
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    Default Re: Can I install Windows XP after opensuse 12.3 ?

    Speed in a VM is not bad here though you can't play high end games because of video. Need to give it lots of memory 512Meg at least also install guest addition. they help

    I'm running a AMD 3200+ with 2 gig using 512meg for VM in Virtualbox. This is fine for most apps.

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    Default Re: Can I install Windows XP after opensuse 12.3 ?

    On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 23:46:01 +0000, gogalthorp wrote:

    > Speed in a VM is not bad here though you can't play high end games
    > because of video.


    And even that's not such a big deal any more, if the host's video card
    supports it, VirtualBox and VMware both allow you to use accelerated
    video - 2D and 3D both.

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    Default Re: Can I install Windows XP after opensuse 12.3 ?

    Well yea 2D and 3D from the addons but really the speed is not there for high end games. But all business apps I have tried work just fine. Maybe if I had a multi-core cpu and 8 gig memory and could give XP 1 gig.

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    Default Re: Can I install Windows XP after opensuse 12.3 ?

    Quote Originally Posted by hextejas View Post
    Opensuse 12.3
    KDE 4.10.5

    Previously I had Windows XP and I.nstalled Opensuse 12.3 on top of it and Grub kept things straight.
    Well, after a crash, I reinstalled openSuse 12.3 and had forgotten to install Windows 1st.

    So, in an attempt to "fix" things, I installed VirtualBox and Windows XP within it.
    That was not a good solution as XP is so painfully slow as to be not useable.

    So, can I install XP on top of 12.3 and have Grub keep them straight ? IE so I have a dual boot box. .
    Or am I going to have to start fresh, install XP 1st, then 12.3 ? I hope not.

    thanks
    Well...

    The answer, as you have just seen, of course is...

    Yes, no, and mebbe so. ;-D

    First, is your XP still there in a partition, just not launching? If so, which partition?

    Give your fdisk -l output (in a code tag, of course).

    If your XP is still there, I can suggest a plan of action.

    If not, here is what I would do (depending on your hard disk space, of course, and assuming that you have already set OpenSUSE up and want to keep the settings and other changes you have made):

    First, make sure you have leftover disk space for your XP partition. If not, you will need to resize your Linux partitions to leave enough unallocated space for XP. At this point, you don't care where on the drive this space is.

    It is EXTREMELY important, though, that your Linux partitions are the same size or SMALLER than what they are going to be on the final disk layout, since they otherwise won't restore to a smaller space.

    Once you have done that, you then want to back up your OpenSUSE (preferrably to an external drive, or a second internal drive, if you have one, otherwise to a large enough USB stick) using Clonezilla (run from a boot CD or a boot USB key).

    Once that is done successfully, wipe your drive and repartition.

    If you do it like the following, with 4 partitions (assuming that you don't want to add anything else on this drive), you can make all 4 partitions as Primary partitions. If you need more than 4 partitions, you will have to make one of the 4 as an extended partition and create the additional partitions as logical partitions.).

    First partition is NTFS and set the size you decided for XP. 2nd partition is Ext4 set to a size for OpenSUSE root (I find 15 to 20 Gig is way more than enough space. I have a lot installed in OpenSUSE, and my root is *still* only about 10-Gigs of data). Add another partition for a separate home partition, makes backups and maintenance more efficient and controllable.

    If you do all this with a live OpenSUSE CD, or some other live Linux, you can use Gparted or some other Linux partitioner to take care of all this, and you can then make a Linux Swap partition as a 4th partition.

    Once you have done that, install XP to the NTFS partition.

    Once XP is installed & running, it is time to restore your OpenSUSE backups with Clonezilla.

    Before you do, you will need to make a couple minor adjustments to the backup filenames to work with the changed partition scheme.

    In the directory where you created the backups, you will find a file list something like this:

    blkdev.list
    clonezilla-img

    disk

    Info-dmi.txt

    Info-lshw.txt
    ... (several other files)
    ...
    ... (down to: )
    sda1.ext4-ptcl-img.gz.aa
    sda1.ext4-ptcl-img.gz.ab

    sda1.ext4-ptcl-img.gz.ac

    ...
    ...
    ...
    sda2.ext4-ptcl-img.gz.aa

    ...
    ... (and so on)

    What you need to do here is rename the "sdax" part of the files, if the partition order is different. Let's assume your root partition that you backed up was sda3, it is represented in the backups as "sda3.ext4-ptcl-img.gz.aa" and so on.

    Since your root partition is now sda2, you will want to rename all the sda3???? backup files to sda2????

    Do the similar exercise for your backed-up home partition, if you had a separate home partition.

    Once you have done that, boot with the Clonezilla device and choose to Restore Partitions from Images (do *not* Restore full disk, of course), then choose the backup partitions you renamed. Make sure you deselect any Clonezilla options that want to write the MBR or partition table either before or after the image restore. Read the options very carefully.

    Once you have restored successfully, you will then need to fix GRUB2. If you need help with that, let us know, and we will be happy to guide you.

    Good luck,
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    Default Re: Can I install Windows XP after opensuse 12.3 ?

    On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 00:56:01 +0000, gogalthorp wrote:

    > Well yea 2D and 3D from the addons but really the speed is not there for
    > high end games. But all business apps I have tried work just fine. Maybe
    > if I had a multi-core cpu and 8 gig memory and could give XP 1 gig.


    Yeah, that might make a difference. My point really is that people's
    mileage may well vary, and some may find that those high-end games play
    pretty well in a VM.

    Jim



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    Quote Originally Posted by hendersj View Post
    On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 00:56:01 +0000, gogalthorp wrote:

    > Well yea 2D and 3D from the addons but really the speed is not there for
    > high end games. But all business apps I have tried work just fine. Maybe
    > if I had a multi-core cpu and 8 gig memory and could give XP 1 gig.


    Yeah, that might make a difference. My point really is that people's
    mileage may well vary, and some may find that those high-end games play
    pretty well in a VM.

    Jim



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    When I said that XP was painfully slow, actually it was TurboTax that was the pain. I have since installed XP and TT on to an Acer Netbook and it runs just fine. Since TT was the only reason that I have VM running, I can see no reason to keep VM around. I guess I could try the game I got for Christmas (Guild Wars 2). but I am not optimistic.
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    Default Re: Can I install Windows XP after opensuse 12.3 ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fraser_Bell View Post
    Well...

    The answer, as you have just seen, of course is...

    Yes, no, and mebbe so. ;-D

    First, is your XP still there in a partition, just not launching? If so, which partition?

    Give your fdisk -l output (in a code tag, of course).

    If your XP is still there, I can suggest a plan of action.

    Good luck,
    --fb
    Thank you Fraser for the depth of detail in your post. Here is the result of the fdisk.
    Windows is not present and when I installed OS 12.3, I let him have all of sda and located my "home" directory on a different drive.
    Given that, it might not be a disaster to reinstall XP, then OS 12.3 and figure out what to do to bring my home directory back into play.


    Code:
    hexdump@Corky-PC:~> su -
    Password: 
    Corky-PC:~ # 
    Corky-PC:~ # 
    Corky-PC:~ # 
    Corky-PC:~ # 
    Corky-PC:~ # fdisk -l
    
    Disk /dev/sda: 256.1 GB, 256060514304 bytes
    255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 31130 cylinders, total 500118192 sectors
    Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    Disk identifier: 0x0006150b
    
       Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
    /dev/sda1            2048     4192255     2095104   82  Linux swap / Solaris
    /dev/sda2   *     4192256   416227327   206017536   83  Linux
    /dev/sda3       416227328   458174463    20973568   83  Linux
    
    Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
    255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors
    Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
    Disk identifier: 0x0006fdc2
    
       Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
    /dev/sdb1            2048  1543925759   771961856   83  Linux
    /dev/sdb2      1543925760  1584885759    20480000   83  Linux
    
    Disk /dev/sdg: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
    255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors
    Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes                                                                                                      
    Disk identifier: 0x9782f9c2                                                                                                                            
    
       Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
    /dev/sdg1            2048   976773119   488385536   83  Linux
    
    WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdi'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.
    
    
    Disk /dev/sdi: 16.0 GB, 16008609792 bytes
    255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1946 cylinders, total 31266816 sectors
    Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    Disk identifier: 0xcee0ec63
    
       Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
    /dev/sdi1            2048    31266815    15632384    b  W95 FAT32
    Corky-PC:~ #
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