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    Question Unnecessary critical updates showing up in "Software Update" ?

    Ok, I don't get this...

    I log in and I have a popup screen with "Security/Critical" updates before me.

    Unlike most former Windoze zombies who have auto-updates set and then let them install w/o looking them over, I do it manually and pick the ones I know I need and hide/ignore the rest. (At least the updates that appear are pertinent to my OS, hardware, and software).

    Because I'm less familiar with Linux updates, I take a quick look and just let things update. They are typically relevant to my system configuration.

    So, I was just going to "let her rip" until I saw one that caught my eye as being totally irrelevant :

    " glibc: Two ARMv7 related fixes 7.9 MB
    Details:
    This update is important and may solve critical problems
    This update fixes the following issues with glibc: "

    1. yada yada...
    2. yada yada...

    I don't have an ARM processor in my PC ! Why am I getting this update ??

    I've never known Linux to just arbitrarily install unnecessary updates... although it does sometimes install "suggested packages" if you're not careful. But that's a whole different matter.

    * Could it be because I have glibc installed and it's blindly updating everything related to it?

    Any insights into this?

    Thanks,
    Brick.

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    Default Re: Unnecessary critical updates showing up in "Software Update" ?

    Maybe you might want to compile some arm code. the gcc and thus glibc supports multiple architectures

    So maybe you don't need that I know I don't but others may. But glibc is very basic to the system and it is always good to have it fully patched. You only get updates for thing that you have installed. Unlike Windows that may install arbitrary code.

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    Default Re: Unnecessary critical updates showing up in "Software Update" ?

    In any case, when there is a next security patch for glibc that is applicable for your hardware, it will contain this patch also. So you will get it then.
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    Default Re: Unnecessary critical updates showing up in "Software Update" ?

    Thanks for your replies.

    I feel that unless these patches are necessary, they shouldn't be installed automagically.
    If only, say 10% of people use tools directly aimed at ARM processors, then they should be optional packages
    much like the barry-* packages I used for my old Blackberry phone. (But, I'm making some big assumptions here as to their necessity).

    The issue is disk space on the test machine I'm using. It went from 56% full to 72% after the last update.
    My goal is to install openSuSE along side Win7 on my main rig, then after awhile, get rid of Win7. I just don't want to install a whole bunch of extra bloat in the process, if that can be avoided.

    *** The software updater seems to have some major issues with it.
    I deselected the ARMv7 updates and clicked "Install"
    It sat for 2 hrs, attempting to d/l only 5 MB of updates, with the CPU running at 90%.
    The process that was using all the CPU time was: GTK+something-view-something

    The GUI showed only half of the updates had been d/l'd , but evidently, it d/l'd all but the ARMv7.
    It never finished and I aborted it. It did install a bunch of updates, but when I rebooted the darn ARMv7 update appeared again (much like hcvv indicated in his reply).

    It seems that the updater intends to install say, 10 updates. However, during the update it drags in a whole bunch of new downloads, along with dependencies, that wind up filling up my disk.
    * This kind of thing didn't used to happen unless I selected a new package to install. (At least in SuSE 8 and SuSE 11).

    True, I haven't tinkered with SuSE since 2010, but is this really the "new normal" now? (looking for a sanity check).

    1. Are the ARMv7 updates really necessary?
    2. Am I going to have to sit and monitor all my updates in the future to avoid installing unwanted/unneeded software?

    Brick.

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    Default Re: Unnecessary critical updates showing up in "Software Update" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by brickheap View Post
    I don't have an ARM processor in my PC ! Why am I getting this update ??
    My assumption: they changed the code to handle a problem for ARM. And then they recompiled for all processors.

    Probably a harmless update, and perhaps not important for non-ARM.
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    Default Re: Unnecessary critical updates showing up in "Software Update" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by brickheap View Post
    The issue is disk space on the test machine I'm using. It went from 56% full to 72% after the last update.
    You are probably using "btrfs". Don't do that on a system where disk space is tight.
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    Default Re: Unnecessary critical updates showing up in "Software Update" ?

    Well you don't HAVE to take it. But for at least the glibc library it is the foundation of all c and c++ so is a defint requirement to have. But the gcc compiler supports multiple architectures so some functions for arm or possibly other CPUs are in the basic library. but if you ignore the update at some point things might beak and if you do get a more general fix for glibc .you will get this stuff anyway.

    new stuff might have new dependencies. What can I say??? If you are really that tight on space maybe you need to rethink you partitioning.

    Can't speak to th time it took does sound excessive. But I guess you are using apper and it really is not the best updater. I use zypper up or yast

    Seems a little hard headed on your part not to accept an update to such a basic part of the OS but it is your machine. And if you continue updates you will eventually get those patches anyway next time glibc has say a security update. So I really don't understand your point.

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    Default Re: Unnecessary critical updates showing up in "Software Update" ?

    Also you can black list a package in yast or zypper so it no longer updates. But I very very highly recommend you take glibc it is fundamental you don't want bugs or security problem there.

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    Default Re: Unnecessary critical updates showing up in "Software Update"?

    On 2013-12-19 20:46, brickheap wrote:

    > The issue is disk space on the *-test machine-* I'm using. It went from
    > 56% full to 72% after the last update.


    Are you using btrfs partitions?

    Either your test setup is too small, or you are using btrfs. The final
    disk usage should be about the same.

    > I deselected the ARMv7 updates and clicked "Install"
    > It sat for 2 hrs, attempting to d/l only 5 MB of updates, with the CPU
    > running at 90%.


    Well, you have some other problem, which is not related to selecting a
    partial update.


    > It never finished and I aborted it. It did install a bunch of updates,
    > but when I rebooted the darn ARMv7 update appeared again (much like hcvv
    > indicated in his reply).


    If you want some update not to be ever selected, you have to taboo it.


    > It seems that the updater intends to install say, 10 updates. However,
    > during the update it drags in a whole bunch of new downloads, along with
    > -*dependencies*-, that wind up filling up my disk.


    Wait. What you see is a number of patches. Each patch can contain
    several packages that are downloaded separately. Perhaps you are using
    the GTK yast flavour, so you do not see this clearly. At least in the QT
    flavour there is a summary screen where you can see every selected package.


    > *1. Are the ARMv7 updates really necessary?


    I don't know. I don't care. I install it. >:-)

    > 2. Am I going to have to sit and monitor all my updates in the future to
    > avoid installing unwanted/unneeded software?


    Yes.

    > *
    > Brick.


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    Default Re: Unnecessary critical updates showing up in "Software Update" ?

    On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:46:02 +0000, brickheap wrote:

    > I feel that unless these patches are necessary, they shouldn't be
    > installed automagically.
    > If only, say 10% of people use tools directly aimed at ARM processors,
    > then they should be optional packages much like the barry-* packages I
    > used for my old Blackberry phone. (But,
    > I'm making some big assumptions here as to their necessity).


    It's also possible that the fix is in the ARM version of the library, but
    the build service automatically rebuilt everything for all platforms (as
    it will tend to do), so an update got pushed out that contains no code
    changes for your particular platform. The comment applies just to the
    ARM libraries.

    There's really no way to know how many people *need* an update like that
    (if it is a cross-compilation issue). As others said, glibc is a pretty
    important library, and if it were me, I'd install it, even if I didn't
    think that it applied directly to me (as I don't currently do ARM
    development).

    If I ended up doing something that required that update and I didn't have
    it, I might spend hours or days trying to figure out why something wasn't
    working, only to discover that if I had applied the update, I wouldn't
    have had the issue.

    There may be other circumstances when such an update would apply, even if
    you aren't a developer.

    Jim

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