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    Default Future for Flash Player in Linux?

    The current download page for Adobe Flash Player (get.adobe.com/flashplayer/) contains this warning:


    "Note: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux."


    That looks like trouble for the Linux community. Do we have an alternative future way to play these .swf files in Linux?

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    Default Re: Future for Flash Player in Linux?

    First of all I believe it will still receive security updates but you have to realize flash is starting to be phased out. If you do need flash look into the pipelight project which will also allow you to use Silverlight on Linux if you so desire (shame on you if you do though). You can join #pipelight on freenode (IRC) to talk to the developers and get help.
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    Default Re: Future for Flash Player in Linux?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3bitsShortOfaByte View Post
    The current download page for Adobe Flash Player (get.adobe.com/flashplayer/) contains this warning:
    You could have avoided the warning, but installing flash from the repos. I'm not sure why it wasn't automatically installed with your system.

    It's been that way for a year or more. We seem to be managing. It mostly seems to mean that Adobe is going to spare linux users from their bug-riddled enhancements.
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    Default Re: Future for Flash Player in Linux?

    On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 01:26:01 +0000, alanbortu wrote:

    > First of all I believe it will still receive security updates but you
    > have to realize flash is starting to be phased out. If you do need flash
    > look into the pipelight project which will also allow you to use
    > Silverlight on Linux if you so desire (shame on you if you do though).
    > You can join #pipelight on freenode (IRC) to talk to the developers and
    > get help.


    Flash != Silverlight, though. Two different beasts.

    And actually, Microsoft is phasing out Silverlight, too.

    For the OP - use Google Chrome (or possibly Chromium) - its "pepperflash"
    implementation is not Adobe's, but it's highly compatible (I've not run
    into any compatibility issues, in fact).

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    Default Re: Future for Flash Player in Linux?

    Yeah flash for linux is dead.
    Currently the best way to get current flash is by installing google chrome.
    If you dont like chrome, well firefox will soon have its own flash replacement called shumway.
    There is also pipelight and its flash can be enabled with this command:
    sudo pipelight-plugin --enable flash
    Just make sure to install the user agent overrider extension in firefox for it to work.

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    Default Re: Future for Flash Player in Linux?

    On 12/10/2013 08:57 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
    > On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 01:26:01 +0000, alanbortu wrote:
    >
    >> First of all I believe it will still receive security updates but you
    >> have to realize flash is starting to be phased out. If you do need flash
    >> look into the pipelight project which will also allow you to use
    >> Silverlight on Linux if you so desire (shame on you if you do though).
    >> You can join #pipelight on freenode (IRC) to talk to the developers and
    >> get help.

    >
    > Flash != Silverlight, though. Two different beasts.
    >
    > And actually, Microsoft is phasing out Silverlight, too.
    >
    > For the OP - use Google Chrome (or possibly Chromium) - its "pepperflash"
    > implementation is not Adobe's, but it's highly compatible (I've not run
    > into any compatibility issues, in fact).
    >
    > Jim
    >


    Didnt mean to imply that they were the same thing but pipelight does a
    pretty good job of running silverlight for Firefox. I just assumed the
    OP know that chrome came with its own flash implementation but I guess
    that was wrong.

    Also while MS may be phasing out SL, it is still used for netflix which
    lots of people do use.

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    Default Re: Future for Flash Player in Linux?

    On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 02:26:32 +0000, alanbortu wrote:

    > Didnt mean to imply that they were the same thing but pipelight does a
    > pretty good job of running silverlight for Firefox. I just assumed the
    > OP know that chrome came with its own flash implementation but I guess
    > that was wrong.
    >
    > Also while MS may be phasing out SL, it is still used for netflix which
    > lots of people do use.


    I'm just not seeing how talking about pipelight/silverlight helps someone
    who needs flash support, that's all. It doesn't address the question at
    all.

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    Default Re: Future for Flash Player in Linux?

    Quote Originally Posted by hendersj View Post
    On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 02:26:32 +0000, alanbortu wrote:

    > Didnt mean to imply that they were the same thing but pipelight does a
    > pretty good job of running silverlight for Firefox. I just assumed the
    > OP know that chrome came with its own flash implementation but I guess
    > that was wrong.
    >
    > Also while MS may be phasing out SL, it is still used for netflix which
    > lots of people do use.


    I'm just not seeing how talking about pipelight/silverlight helps someone
    who needs flash support, that's all. It doesn't address the question at
    all.

    Jim
    Well you can run windows flash with pipelight so that was what I was getting at.
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    Default Re: Future for Flash Player in Linux?

    On 12/10/2013 07:06 PM, 3bitsShortOfaByte wrote:
    >
    > The current download page for Adobe Flash Player
    > (get.adobe.com/flashplayer/) contains this warning:
    >
    >
    > "Note: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux
    > as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security
    > backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux."
    >
    >
    > That looks like trouble for the Linux community. Do we have an
    > alternative future way to play these .swf files in Linux?
    >
    >


    In all fairness.. no. There is no fullproof future way. And while the
    implication is that flash is dying, even in Windows, there is no replacement,
    and Silverlight is actually dying at a faster pace.

    Simply put, flash is around for awhile because there isn't an equivalent on
    Windows or Linux.

    What happens after that? Not sure. It's possible that a free flash clone might
    adopt all of the features of flash, but I wouldn't bet on it. That means that
    for some of the more dubious flash features (where it makes deep grabs into your
    devices) will have to be done via some other mechanism. Maybe something
    pseudo-secure (because it won't be IMHO) via "java"script? Unknown.

    Java, just for the record, makes deep grabs, or has, so it's about as secure as
    flash... and only recently have people started to take notice. But I think I'd
    rather have flash with it's well known security issues vs. Java which pretends
    to not have any (in particular I'm referencing the Java browser plugin).

    Some suggested using the flash in Chrome, but it's actually not feature complete
    and very bug ridden. I guess if it works for you, great, but many people end up
    overriding the Chrome built-in and using the less secure Adobe provided one with
    Chrome just so that their software will work (again, talking mainly flash apps
    where webcams, etc. are involved).

    So.. playing .swf.. if that's all (e.g. simple games), then maybe the free
    versions will handle it. If you're using a browser based multi-media recording
    studio.. might be out of luck.

    Flash is evil. We did nothing to stop it early on. Now it's the evil that's
    hard to get rid of (Feel free to replace flash with Java... though I'm sure I'll
    get flamed for saying).



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    Default Re: Future for Flash Player in Linux?

    It is going to be HTML5 but flash powered sites will be around for a long time

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