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    Unhappy Ok. Nothing that says how to upgrade on the OpenSuse download page?

    where is the 'How To' upgrading from 12.3 to 13.1?

    I looked ..and nothing is obvious for my brain..I googled it and its on another site..



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    Default Re: Ok. Nothing that says how to upgrade on the OpenSuse download page?

    SDB:System upgrade - openSUSE

    Isnt this what you were looking for?

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    Default Re: Ok. Nothing that says how to upgrade on the OpenSuse download page?

    Quote Originally Posted by alanbortu View Post
    SDB:System upgrade - openSUSE

    Isnt this what you were looking for?
    omg that was like several layers deep after clicking to find that yes?
    At a glance its very intimidating, allot to do on a command line ..
    way too complicated and out of the way still for the obvious idea of bumping up from 12.3 to 13.1.

    How about a simple "Upgrade" link right off the download page? with a step by step walk through? or a video? for lamers like me.

    "Start the openSUSE installation and pick new Installation instead of Upgrade"
    whats wrong with just clicking 'upgrade'..? why even have that option if you just want to upgrade?

    Its most likely obvious that people are going to want to upgrade from 12.3 . Not having a direct upgrade link on the download page is ..uhm 'strange'.

    yes I'm a stranger to all this .

    Thanks for the link btw. yes that was what I was looking for, but not as complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alienbee View Post
    omg that was like several layers deep after clicking to find that yes?
    At a glance its very intimidating, allot to do on a command line ..
    way too complicated and out of the way still for the obvious idea of bumping up from 12.3 to 13.1.
    ???
    Just boot from the installation medium and select "Upgrade an existing installation".
    Nothing to do on the command line there.

    See here for a detailed explanation: SDBffline upgrade - openSUSE
    (there is a link to that on the Online Upgrade page...)

    whats wrong with just clicking 'upgrade'..? why even have that option if you just want to upgrade?
    Who said there's anything wrong with it?
    alanbortu gave you a link to a page describing how you could do an _online_ upgrade, i.e. without an installation medium, in the running system.
    There's a link there to the _offline_ upgrade as well, which you do by booting of the installation medium and choose "Upgrade an existing system".

    Its most likely obvious that people are going to want to upgrade from 12.3 . Not having a direct upgrade link on the download page is ..uhm 'strange'.

    yes I'm a stranger to all this .

    Thanks for the link btw. yes that was what I was looking for, but not as complicated.
    Why would you need a link on the download page?
    Isn't it obvious that you would need to boot the downloaded installation medium? And what to choose when you are asked if you want to "Install a new system" or "Upgrade an existing system"?
    It's not really that complicated...

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    Default Re: Ok. Nothing that says how to upgrade on the OpenSuse downloadpage?

    wolfi323 wrote:
    > Why would you need a link on the download page?
    > Isn't it obvious that you would need to boot the downloaded installation
    > medium? And what to choose when you are asked if you want to "Install a
    > new system" or "Upgrade an existing system"?
    > It's not really that complicated...


    I don't think it's obvious. The download page states that some of the
    downloads are suitable for upgrades, but doesn't provide any hint at all
    as to how to go about it. I think it's reasonable that it should provide
    a link to http://en.opensuse.org/SDBffline_upgrade.

    The front page http://www.opensuse.org/en/ also only provides a link to
    the online upgrade, and you have toread quite a long way and quite
    carefully on that page to realize that offline upgrade is an option that
    might be quite sensible (I for one would never do an online upgrade)

    So I think alienbee's comments are useful, constructive criticism that
    could usefully be acted upon.

    As to making a video, perhaps alienbee would like to contribute one

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    Default Re: Ok. Nothing that says how to upgrade on the OpenSuse downloadpage?

    Quote Originally Posted by djh-novell View Post
    The front page openSUSE.org also only provides a link to
    the online upgrade, and you have toread quite a long way and quite
    carefully on that page to realize that offline upgrade is an option that
    might be quite sensible (I for one would never do an online upgrade)
    I don't quite agree there.
    The link is in the Summary, i.e. the first section. So you don't really "have to read quite a long way"...

    So I think alienbee's comments are useful, constructive criticism that
    could usefully be acted upon.
    I didn't want to put down his comment.
    I just wanted to point out to him that you _can_ upgrade using the DVD, and that it is mentioned on the online upgrade page as well.

    And I still think that it's obvious to boot from the installation DVD after downloading it to do the actual install/upgrade.
    But well, if somebody wants to add such a link, I will say nothing against it...

    But there _is_ already a link to Portal:Installation - openSUSE on the right side where it says "Getting Help"...

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    Default Re: Ok. Nothing that says how to upgrade on the OpenSuse downloadpage?

    wolfi323 wrote:
    > djh-novell;2605740 Wrote:
    >> The front page 'openSUSE.org' (http://www.opensuse.org/en/) also only
    >> provides a link to
    >> the online upgrade, and you have toread quite a long way and quite
    >> carefully on that page to realize that offline upgrade is an option that
    >> might be quite sensible (I for one would never do an online upgrade)

    > I don't quite agree there.
    > The link is in the Summary, i.e. the first section. So you don't really
    > "have to read quite a long way"...


    The link is in the last line of a 17-line section that follows a whole
    load of guff, so yes not only do you have to read quite a long way, but
    you have to read quite carefully to even spot the link.

    >> So I think alienbee's comments are useful, constructive criticism that
    >> could usefully be acted upon.

    > I didn't want to put down his comment.
    > I just wanted to point out to him that you _can_ upgrade using the DVD,
    > and that it is mentioned on the online upgrade page as well.
    >
    > And I still think that it's obvious to boot from the installation DVD
    > after downloading it to do the actual install/upgrade.
    > But well, if somebody wants to add such a link, I will say nothing
    > against it...


    It sounds to me like you are actively seeking to push the view that
    there's no problem. The reality is that when people bother to report
    that they found something confusing, it's usually best to try to remove
    the source of confusion, even if you personally do not find it confusing.

    > But there _is_ already a link to 'Portal:Installation - openSUSE'
    > (http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Installation) on the right side where it
    > says "Getting Help"...


    That link is labelled "Installation Guides" which is not something I
    would click on to find advice about upgrading! And even if you do click
    on it, it doesn't say anything about upgrading except for a couple of
    links that are not in the main body of advice. I had to search the page
    to find them

    Again, you seem to be clutching at any straw rather than admit there
    might be ways to improve the site.

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    Default Re: Ok. Nothing that says how to upgrade on the OpenSuse downloadpage?

    On 2013-12-06 12:02, Dave Howorth wrote:

    > I don't think it's obvious. The download page states that some of the
    > downloads are suitable for upgrades, but doesn't provide any hint at all
    > as to how to go about it. I think it's reasonable that it should provide
    > a link to http://en.opensuse.org/SDBffline_upgrade.


    Well, that's true. As that page is not a wiki, to add that you have to
    request it from... who? Dunno really. The webmaster perhaps.


    > The front page http://www.opensuse.org/en/ also only provides a link to
    > the online upgrade, and you have toread quite a long way and quite
    > carefully on that page to realize that offline upgrade is an option that
    > might be quite sensible (I for one would never do an online upgrade)


    That's because the people that wrote that wiki were not aware of the
    offline method. When I wrote the offline method page (months or years
    later), I had to find a place where to write a reference in the online
    method page to the offline method page, and had to wait months before it
    was accepted and visible. You are right, it should also be in the
    "related articles" section.

    And I can not add a link on the front page to it, either.

    True, the installation portal does not list the upgrade methods.

    (notice that the installation link refers to the activedoc server, not
    the wiki).

    > So I think alienbee's comments are useful, constructive criticism that
    > could usefully be acted upon.
    >
    > As to making a video, perhaps alienbee would like to contribute one


    You could ask on the wiki forum, or the wiki mail list. But, this is an
    area that sorely needs contributors.

    Perhaps a comment can be added on the "discussion" link of those pages.


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    Quote Originally Posted by djh-novell View Post
    wolfi323 wrote:
    > djh-novell;2605740 Wrote:
    >> The front page 'openSUSE.org' (openSUSE.org) also only
    >> provides a link to
    >> the online upgrade, and you have toread quite a long way and quite
    >> carefully on that page to realize that offline upgrade is an option that
    >> might be quite sensible (I for one would never do an online upgrade)

    > I don't quite agree there.
    > The link is in the Summary, i.e. the first section. So you don't really
    > "have to read quite a long way"...


    The link is in the last line of a 17-line section that follows a whole
    load of guff, so yes not only do you have to read quite a long way, but
    you have to read quite carefully to even spot the link.
    Well, a Webbrowser normally highlights the link. So IMHO it should stand out at first sight.

    But anyway. Just forget what I wrote.


    >> So I think alienbee's comments are useful, constructive criticism that
    >> could usefully be acted upon.

    > I didn't want to put down his comment.
    > I just wanted to point out to him that you _can_ upgrade using the DVD,
    > and that it is mentioned on the online upgrade page as well.
    >
    > And I still think that it's obvious to boot from the installation DVD
    > after downloading it to do the actual install/upgrade.
    > But well, if somebody wants to add such a link, I will say nothing
    > against it...


    It sounds to me like you are actively seeking to push the view that
    there's no problem. The reality is that when people bother to report
    that they found something confusing, it's usually best to try to remove
    the source of confusion, even if you personally do not find it confusing.
    I'm not trying to push anything. I'm just stating my opinion. Like you do, or anybody else here.

    And I wanted to point alienbee to the offline upgrade page.
    I guess one source of confusion here was, that he got presented the online upgrade link in the first place, although he actually wanted to do an offline upgrade.

    Again, you seem to be clutching at any straw rather than admit there
    might be ways to improve the site.
    No. Of course you can always improve something.
    You are putting words in my mouth here.

    And why should _I_ admit (or not want to admit) that the page could be improved anyway?
    It's not my page.

    If you want to improve it, just do it or make someone do it. I won't hinder you. And I won't criticise you either for doing that.

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    Default Re: Ok. Nothing that says how to upgrade on the OpenSuse downloadpage?

    Quote Originally Posted by djh-novell View Post
    wolfi323 wrote:

    So I think alienbee's comments are useful, constructive criticism that
    could usefully be acted upon.

    As to making a video, perhaps alienbee would like to contribute one
    I also tried to find the pages via google the other day and found I was baffled to find the proper pages. I too find this a ridiculous situation and wonder why the upgrade can not be found at the top of google search or why it is not on opensuse site.

    I only read the OP first post so maybe this is solved now but the point is I had many problems finding the same info the other day. Are we all getting the same google results??, this should be easy to verify.
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