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  1. #21
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    Default Re: 13.1 DVD says welcome & dies

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On 2013-12-06 22:26, RBEmerson wrote:
    >
    > Oh wait. The cute l'il penguins are an Easter egg. [/face palm] Sheesh!


    Of course they are. A very cute and lovable one, that I miss sorely :-))

    (there is a petition to reinstate it on grub2)

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    Carlos E. R.
    (from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith))
    You called?

    https://features.opensuse.org/316767

  2. #22

    Default Re: 13.1 DVD says welcome & dies

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On 2013-12-07 22:56, RBEmerson wrote:
    >
    > Using "startshell=1" as a boot option is a non-starter. The results are
    > exactly the same: the kernel appears to be loading (little bar expands
    > to the right as the percent loaded increments) and then the machine
    > reboots. Letting things continue after rebooting is just an exercise in
    > "wash, rinse, repeat".


    Too bad :-(

    > I'm going to burn a 12.3 .iso I grabbed before
    > seeing 13.1 was on its way. It may boot, it may be YAC (Yet Another
    > Coaster).


    let's hope. If it works, please report the issue for 13.1 in Bugzilla.

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    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.
    (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)
    No progress to report - the problem persists at 12.3 but...

    See the following:
    http://forums.opensuse.org/english/g...rebooting.html
    https://forums.opensuse.org/english/...to-memory.html

    If the problem(s) cited was resolved, I don't see a comment to that effect in either topic. NTL, I think I can now say that it's much less likely my machine is the bad actor.

    I'm embarrassed to say I can't find my 12.1 disks; I'll burn a new main 12.1 DVD to see if, in fact, it boots as before. My guess is it will.
    Sometimes I sits and thinks, sometimes I just sits...

  3. #23

    Default Re: 13.1 DVD says welcome & dies

    Basta. Even the 12.1 iso refuses to play nice. It gets to the usual spot (install from disk, etc.) and craters on anything involving loading a kernel off the DVD. Both KB3 and Yast2 can verify the disk. All I can conclude is that it is the machine. I put 12.1 on this machine and now I can't even start a process that clearly worked before.

    I was able to get the 12.1 Firmware Test to run twice, once with the kernel safe mode option and video set to text, and once with video set to text. I am, however, unable to repeat that. So the machine goes back on the list of possible bad actors. However, lacking even the least hint of what's going wrong, resulting in a reboot, I can't see any way forward. Basta. It's enough.
    Sometimes I sits and thinks, sometimes I just sits...

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    Default Re: 13.1 DVD says welcome & dies

    Maybe a bad player. really when you consider what they sell these things for it is surprising they last as long as they do.

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    Default Re: 13.1 DVD says welcome & dies

    There was a short message at: SDBownload help - openSUSE

    Self missed this earlier during installation of 12.3, admit do not recall noticing it during installation of 13.1 so below mark BOLD RED.

    Burn the ISO image(s)

    [edit] Using Linux

    After successfully downloading the ISO image(s), use the burning application of your choice to burn the ISO file(s) to a blank CD or a blank DVD (Note that from 12.3 on, the ISO won't fit onto a CD anymore, use a USB-stick instead).


    Was this also placed so NOT missed by people considering their selection of, then during their installation of, 12.3 or later versions ?

  6. #26

    Default Re: 13.1 DVD says welcome & dies

    Quote Originally Posted by gogalthorp View Post
    Maybe a bad player. really when you consider what they sell these things for it is surprising they last as long as they do.
    It's certainly possible. The question then becomes why does all of the DVD's or CD's (add-on disk) not fail on the YaST2 media verifications, and / or not fail the KB3 verification? Every coaster passes. I did have one file that didn't pass YaST2 media verification (either 12.1 add-on or 12.1 GNOME live). I didn't burn it, of course. And I burned a 13.1 main DVD on a second machine with no success booting from it. Every time, I get to the loader page. When I do anything that say "boot options", fail.

    Again, this brings me back to thinking that, after all, there's something in my machine that's causing problems. Since switching to text mode at least let the 12.1 Firmware Check run two times (and then that stopped working, too), my guess is it has something to do with the video board. Using the YaST hardware probe, it's listed as ATI Radeon Graphics HD, with HP (who made the overall system) as a sub-maker. The point here is it's not Nvidia, a common source of problems.
    Sometimes I sits and thinks, sometimes I just sits...

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    Default Re: 13.1 DVD says welcome & dies

    On 2013-12-08 06:26, RBEmerson wrote:
    >
    > Basta. Even the 12.1 iso refuses to play nice. It gets to the usual spot
    > (install from disk, etc.) and craters on anything involving loading a
    > kernel off the DVD. Both KB3 and Yast2 can verify the disk. All I can
    > conclude is that it -is- the machine. I put 12.1 on this machine and now
    > I can't even start a process that clearly worked before.


    Indeed, it has to be the machine.

    > I was able to get the 12.1 Firmware Test to run twice, once with the
    > kernel safe mode option and video set to text, and once with video set
    > to text. I am, however, unable to repeat that. So the machine goes back
    > on the list of possible bad actors. However, lacking even the least hint
    > of what's going wrong, resulting in a reboot, I can't see any way
    > forward. Basta. It's enough.


    I'm sorry, I don't know what it can be. Bad sectors in the hard disk,
    not possible (not used that early).

    You could try removing all hardware not absolutely needed: unplug the
    cables to all hard disks, except the DVD reader if you are using it, and
    try. Try booting from a USB stick. Change stick brand.

    If you are using DVDs, replace temporarily the reader unit, if possible.
    If not, remove it and use usb.

    Bad ram is the typical candidate. You should run the test for a day
    continuously. Use one of the versions that did work previously.

    Reseat all cards.

    Change video card, if it is a card. A chap I knew, working once in a
    computer dealer or repair shop, told me to always keep a plain svga pci
    video card for testing.

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    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.
    (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

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    Default Re: 13.1 DVD says welcome & dies

    Quote Originally Posted by paulparker View Post
    There was a short message at: SDBownload help - openSUSE

    Self missed this earlier during installation of 12.3, admit do not recall noticing it during installation of 13.1 so below mark BOLD RED.
    Burn the ISO image(s)

    [edit] Using Linux

    After successfully downloading the ISO image(s), use the burning application of your choice to burn the ISO file(s) to a blank CD or a blank DVD (Note that from 12.3 on, the ISO won't fit onto a CD anymore, use a USB-stick instead).
    Was this also placed so NOT missed by people considering their selection of, then during their installation of, 12.3 or later versions ?
    Meh - minor, albeit frustrating, issue. Trying to put more that a CD's worth of data onto a CD should result in a "it won't fit, Clyde" message and not an overloaded coaster. If the user only has a CD burner, maybe they're not quite ready for prime time?

    Where things do get icky is when there's no hope of booting from a stick. That includes me in the set of losers. This is a limitation of the system, not OpenSUSE, though.
    Sometimes I sits and thinks, sometimes I just sits...

  9. #29

    Default Re: 13.1 DVD says welcome & dies

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On 2013-12-08 06:26, RBEmerson wrote:
    >
    > Basta. Even the 12.1 iso refuses to play nice. It gets to the usual spot
    > (install from disk, etc.) and craters on anything involving loading a
    > kernel off the DVD. Both KB3 and Yast2 can verify the disk. All I can
    > conclude is that it -is- the machine. I put 12.1 on this machine and now
    > I can't even start a process that clearly worked before.


    Indeed, it has to be the machine.

    > I was able to get the 12.1 Firmware Test to run twice, once with the
    > kernel safe mode option and video set to text, and once with video set
    > to text. I am, however, unable to repeat that. So the machine goes back
    > on the list of possible bad actors. However, lacking even the least hint
    > of what's going wrong, resulting in a reboot, I can't see any way
    > forward. Basta. It's enough.


    I'm sorry, I don't know what it can be. Bad sectors in the hard disk,
    not possible (not used that early).
    Given that a) I can reboot the existing (on HDD) 12.1 consistently, and b) the system has been running for roughly 2 years with 12.1, I'd say the HDD is low on the list bad actor list.

    You could try removing all hardware not absolutely needed: unplug the
    cables to all hard disks, except the DVD reader if you are using it, and
    try. Try booting from a USB stick. Change stick brand.
    There's only one HDD - see above.
    No joy with the USB stick. The darn BIOS won't include any USB device as a bootable device. Otherwise I'd be on that in a heartbeat.

    If you are using DVDs, replace temporarily the reader unit, if possible.
    If not, remove it and use usb.
    I may have an old optical drive somewhere. Again, USB sticks are a non-starter.

    Bad ram is the typical candidate. You should run the test for a day
    continuously. Use one of the versions that did work previously.
    Went there, did that. It's one of the two things (boot from HDD and memtest) that does work.

    Reseat all cards.

    Change video card, if it is a card. A chap I knew, working once in a
    computer dealer or repair shop, told me to always keep a plain svga pci
    video card for testing.

    --
    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.
    (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)
    Reseating the cards can't hurt (I hope!). I'll look for a video board. [/rubs bruise on forehead from banging head on wall]
    Sometimes I sits and thinks, sometimes I just sits...

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    Default Re: 13.1 DVD says welcome & dies

    On 2013-12-08 16:06, RBEmerson wrote:

    > Given that a) I can reboot the existing (on HDD) 12.1 consistently, and
    > b) the system has been running for roughly 2 years with 12.1, I'd say
    > the HDD is low on the list bad actor list.


    If the on disk system still runs, it is hardly the computer itself at
    fault. There might be a RAM test on the HD GRUB menu. If it is there,
    try it.


    >> You could try removing all hardware not absolutely needed: unplug the
    >> cables to all hard disks, except the DVD reader if you are using it, and
    >> try. Try booting from a USB stick. Change stick brand.

    > There's only one HDD - see above.
    > No joy with the USB stick. The darn BIOS won't include any USB device as
    > a bootable device. Otherwise I'd be on that in a heartbeat.


    Ohhh. That's bad luck indeed.

    Hold on... there was a thread recently on how to modify grub2 to boot
    from an ISO image stored on the hard disk. You can try that!

    Subject: How to Boot from 13.1 ISO image direct from hard drive using Grub2

    >> If you are using DVDs, replace temporarily the reader unit, if possible.
    >> If not, remove it and use usb.

    > I may have an old optical drive somewhere. Again, USB sticks are a
    > non-starter.


    If you have another unit, even one that fails to burn, try it.


    >> Bad ram is the typical candidate. You should run the test for a day
    >> continuously. Use one of the versions that did work previously.

    > Went there, did that. It's one of the two things (boot from HDD and
    > memtest) that does work.


    Yes, but run the test overnight.


    > [/rubs bruise on forehead from banging head on wall]


    Yes, I can understand that.

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    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.
    (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

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