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    Default So when will openSUSE get an easier upgrade process?

    If its one major flaw I see in openSUSE is dist upgrading it is rather difficult compared to some other distros like Ubuntu, or even something like SolydXK.
    If you dont know what you are doing dist upgrading openSUSE can be a real pain, especially the need to download a new image or manually editing all the repositories.
    The terminal is not that ideal too, even zypper dup wont do dildly unless you manually edit the sources (or go tumbleweed) to the latest version.
    Its always been something I felt held this distro back from reaching its full potential, and one should not have to go enterprise to get this kind of functionality.

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    Default Re: So when will openSUSE get an easier upgrade process?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadmanRB View Post
    If its one major flaw I see in openSUSE is dist upgrading it is rather difficult compared to some other distros like Ubuntu, or even something like SolydXK.
    I expect it is possible to write a simple script that would update the repos to the next version. It would mark all current repos as "disabled", and provide the upgrade repos as "enabled". There are probably ways that the script could inquire at the opensuse site to get the correct repo list. (James will probably come up with a bash script to do this, if he doesn't already have one). You could probably file a request at "OpenFATE" for such a command.

    That would make upgrading simpler.

    For "Tumbleweed", I'm inclined to think it best for people to not even try "Tumbleweed" unless they have at least the competence to manually change the repos appropriately.
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    Default Re: So when will openSUSE get an easier upgrade process?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadmanRB View Post
    If its one major flaw I see in openSUSE is dist upgrading it is rather difficult compared to some other distros like Ubuntu, or even something like SolydXK.
    If you dont know what you are doing dist upgrading openSUSE can be a real pain, especially the need to download a new image or manually editing all the repositories.
    The terminal is not that ideal too, even zypper dup wont do dildly unless you manually edit the sources (or go tumbleweed) to the latest version.
    Its always been something I felt held this distro back from reaching its full potential, and one should not have to go enterprise to get this kind of functionality.
    This distro is not meant to be "like Ubuntu or...". You are starting out with a flawed assumption, like it or not.

    Downloading a new image is the safest and cleanest way way to install a new release. That could apply to most distros.

    If you don't like the terminal, edit the sources with YaST, then zypper dup in terminal.

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    Default Re: So when will openSUSE get an easier upgrade process?

    MadmanRB wrote:
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    > If its one major flaw I see in openSUSE is dist upgrading it is rather
    > difficult compared to some other distros like Ubuntu, or even something
    > like SolydXK.
    > If you dont know what you are doing dist upgrading openSUSE can be a
    > real pain, especially the need to download a new image or manually
    > editing all the repositories.
    > The terminal is not that ideal too, even zypper dup wont do dildly
    > unless you manually edit the sources (or go tumbleweed) to the latest
    > version.
    > Its always been something I felt held this distro back from reaching its
    > full potential, and one should not have to go enterprise to get this
    > kind of functionality.
    >
    >

    I wouldn't want openSUSE offering me an upgrade through the same channel
    as update/patches because if i absent-mindedly click on *upgrade*
    without backing up my data and if upgrade fails then
    i would be in a lot of trouble.

    Also many people don't want to upgrade their openSUSE until the
    installed version doesn't reach end of life.

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    Default Re: So when will openSUSE get an easier upgrade process?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadmanRB View Post
    ... the need to download a new image ...
    I never would teke responsability for managing a system when I haven't the install medium (DVD in our case) lying on a shelf. I must be able to install even if everything else (including the network) fails.
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    Default Re: So when will openSUSE get an easier upgrade process?

    On 2013-11-29 08:56, MadmanRB wrote:
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    > If its one major flaw I see in openSUSE is dist upgrading it is rather
    > difficult compared to some other distros like Ubuntu, or even something
    > like SolydXK.


    Nay.

    The way it is now is wonderful.

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    Default Re: So when will openSUSE get an easier upgrade process?

    Quote Originally Posted by consused View Post
    This distro is not meant to be "like Ubuntu or...". You are starting out with a flawed assumption, like it or not.
    I was being exemplary not literal though

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    Default Re: So when will openSUSE get an easier upgrade process?

    Quote Originally Posted by nrickert View Post
    I expect it is possible to write a simple script that would update the repos to the next version. It would mark all current repos as "disabled", and provide the upgrade repos as "enabled". There are probably ways that the script could inquire at the opensuse site to get the correct repo list. (James will probably come up with a bash script to do this, if he doesn't already have one). You could probably file a request at "OpenFATE" for such a command.

    That would make upgrading simpler.

    For "Tumbleweed", I'm inclined to think it best for people to not even try "Tumbleweed" unless they have at least the competence to manually change the repos appropriately.
    A script would be nice, something like that would do nicely, or a ymp.
    If I knew how I would do it but I have zero to none programming skills.

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    Default Re: So when will openSUSE get an easier upgrade process?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadmanRB View Post
    A script would be nice, something like that would do nicely, or a ymp.
    If I knew how I would do it but I have zero to none programming skills.
    A script:
    Code:
    #!/bin/bash
    sed -i 's/12\.3/13\.1/g' /etc/zypp/repos.d/*
    zypper dup
    This of course only works for upgrading 12.3 to 13.1, doesn't check if all your repos exist for 13.1, and doesn't check that you have all standard repos.

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    Default Re: So when will openSUSE get an easier upgrade process?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfi323 View Post
    A script:
    Code:
    #!/bin/bash
    sed -i 's/12\.3/13\.1/g' /etc/zypp/repos.d/*
    zypper dup
    This of course only works for upgrading 12.3 to 13.1, doesn't check if all your repos exist for 13.1, and doesn't check that you have all standard repos.
    Well it is at least something along the lines of what I think openSUSE needs.
    I mean its a great distro I just wish that version jumping was easier thats all.

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