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    Default OpenSuse 13.1 appears to be not fit for purpose

    I have tried this evening to update my system from 12.3 to 13.1 , a major mistake as my system for me is now unusable.
    I downloaded the 64 bit iso file, ensured the checksum was correct, and burned it to disk.
    Used the facility on the disk to check it was all readable then tried to install as an update to existing 12.3 system.
    My first problem was file conflict in the packages section, suggested solutions were to not update a particular file or not to install the offered version of KDE 4.
    Taking the first option resulted in a completely frozen system each time I tried to proceed.
    Trying the second option gave me an installation which I am unable to use, it calls itself 'OpenSuse 13.1 "Bottle" - Kernel 3.11.6-4 - desktop(ttyl)'
    Can anyone tell if I can get to KDE from this and if so how?
    Alternatively am I likely to be able to get back to 12.3 if I use the update facility on my 12.3 installation disk?
    In case you are wondering how I managed to post this my system is dual boot and I was able to use Xp.
    Any help gratefully received.

    merkland.

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    Default Re: OpenSuse 13.1 appears to be not fit for purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by merkland View Post
    I have tried this evening to update my system from 12.3 to 13.1 , a major mistake as my system for me is now unusable.
    I downloaded the 64 bit iso file, ensured the checksum was correct, and burned it to disk.
    Used the facility on the disk to check it was all readable then tried to install as an update to existing 12.3 system.
    My first problem was file conflict in the packages section, suggested solutions were to not update a particular file or not to install the offered version of KDE 4.
    Taking the first option resulted in a completely frozen system each time I tried to proceed.
    Trying the second option gave me an installation which I am unable to use, it calls itself 'OpenSuse 13.1 "Bottle" - Kernel 3.11.6-4 - desktop(ttyl)'
    Can anyone tell if I can get to KDE from this and if so how?
    Alternatively am I likely to be able to get back to 12.3 if I use the update facility on my 12.3 installation disk?
    In case you are wondering how I managed to post this my system is dual boot and I was able to use Xp.
    Any help gratefully received.

    merkland.
    Hi,

    Just wondering what's the procedure you used for the system update.
    I just updated 12.3 to 13.1 this morning on my old laptop and it went smoothly using the 13.1 dvd iso.
    The old packages which came from third party repositories were left intact but in red letters after the update.
    When I enabled the third party repositories for 13.1, I was able to update the old packages in red letters.
    I did not encounter the conflicts in the packages section. The system I updated is running kde and xfce.
    People who do not break things first will never learn to create anything

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    Default Re: OpenSuse 13.1 appears to be not fit for purpose

    On 2013-11-26 23:56, merkland wrote:

    > Used the facility on the disk to check it was all readable then tried to
    > install as an update to existing 12.3 system.


    Did you read: Offline
    upgrade method
    ?

    > My first problem was file conflict in the packages section, suggested
    > solutions were to not update a particular file or not to install the
    > offered version of KDE 4.
    > Taking the first option resulted in a completely frozen system each time
    > I tried to proceed.


    The install system froze?

    It is best before upgrading to try if the target version works find in
    your computer. I usually go as far as installing it in another partition
    to test it.

    > Trying the second option gave me an installation which I am unable to
    > use, it calls itself 'OpenSuse 13.1 "Bottle" - Kernel 3.11.6-4 -
    > desktop(ttyl)'
    > Can anyone tell if I can get to KDE from this and if so how?


    Basically:

    - ensure you have active only the 4 official repos and nothing more.

    In text mode:

    Code:
    zypper up
    zypper dup
    zypper patch
    And verify by examining the output of

    Code:
    rpm -q -a --queryformat "%{INSTALLTIME}\t%{INSTALLTIME:day} \
    %{BUILDTIME:day} %-30{NAME}\t%15{VERSION}-%-7{RELEASE}\t%{arch} \
    %25{VENDOR}%25{PACKAGER} == %{DISTRIBUTION} %{DISTTAG}\n" \
    | sort | cut --fields="2-" | tee rpmlist | less -S

    > Alternatively am I likely to be able to get back to 12.3 if I use the
    > update facility on my 12.3 installation disk?


    Perhaps...

    --
    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.
    (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

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    Default Re: OpenSuse 13.1 appears to be not fit for purpose

    Having studied your kind replies and slept on it I thought that rather than 'muddy the waters' even further I would cautiously go for a clean install.
    My main problem with this is that I don't want to loose any of the existing files on /dev/sda3/home.
    I have three hard drives on my system identified as dev/sda,dev/sdb, and dev/sdc. The main drive dev/sda,which is 500G, is currently set up as dual boot with Windows XP and the Windows partition is approx 80GB of this drive.
    I am sitting looking at the installation settings for a new install and under partitioning I have:


    • Format partition /dev/sda2 (20.00 GB) for / with ext4
    • Use /dev/sda1 as swap
    • Set mount point of /dev/sda3 to /home


    If I move to the next screen 'Confirm Installation' it has the warning

    "If you continue now, existing partitions on your hard disk will be deleted or formatted (erasing any existing data in those partitions) according to the installation settings in the previous dialogs.
    Go back and check the settings if you are unsure."

    Does this mean I will loose my existing data on /dev/sda3?

    Clarification / reassurance would be gratefully received.

    Merkland.





    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On 2013-11-26 23:56, merkland wrote:

    > Used the facility on the disk to check it was all readable then tried to
    > install as an update to existing 12.3 system.


    Did you read: Offline
    upgrade method
    ?

    > My first problem was file conflict in the packages section, suggested
    > solutions were to not update a particular file or not to install the
    > offered version of KDE 4.
    > Taking the first option resulted in a completely frozen system each time
    > I tried to proceed.


    The install system froze?

    It is best before upgrading to try if the target version works find in
    your computer. I usually go as far as installing it in another partition
    to test it.

    > Trying the second option gave me an installation which I am unable to
    > use, it calls itself 'OpenSuse 13.1 "Bottle" - Kernel 3.11.6-4 -
    > desktop(ttyl)'
    > Can anyone tell if I can get to KDE from this and if so how?


    Basically:

    - ensure you have active only the 4 official repos and nothing more.

    In text mode:

    Code:
    zypper up
    zypper dup
    zypper patch
    And verify by examining the output of

    Code:
    rpm -q -a --queryformat "%{INSTALLTIME}\t%{INSTALLTIME:day} \
    %{BUILDTIME:day} %-30{NAME}\t%15{VERSION}-%-7{RELEASE}\t%{arch} \
    %25{VENDOR}%25{PACKAGER} == %{DISTRIBUTION} %{DISTTAG}\n" \
    | sort | cut --fields="2-" | tee rpmlist | less -S

    > Alternatively am I likely to be able to get back to 12.3 if I use the
    > update facility on my 12.3 installation disk?


    Perhaps...

    --
    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.
    (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

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    Default Re: OpenSuse 13.1 appears to be not fit for purpose

    On 2013-11-27 12:16, merkland wrote:
    >
    > Having studied your kind replies and slept on it I thought that rather
    > than 'muddy the waters' even further I would cautiously go for a clean
    > install.


    I would try the zypper commands I recommended before dropping it.

    > My main problem with this is that I don't want to loose any of the
    > existing files on /dev/sda3/home.
    > I have three hard drives on my system identified as dev/sda, dev/sub,
    > and dev/sdc. The main drive dev/sda,which is 500G, is currently set up
    > as dual boot with Windows XP and the Windows partition is approx 80GB of
    > this drive.
    > I am sitting looking at the installation settings for a new install and
    > under partitioning I have:


    Wait. One of the installation screens allows you to tell the system to
    read the current fstab and reuse it. That way you get the exact same
    layout you have now.

    And when it asks for your user name, you can also tell it to import the
    previous user list.

    I'd recommend to use both features. Fewer error chances.

    > If I move to the next screen 'Confirm Installation' it has the warning
    >
    > "If you continue now, existing partitions on your hard disk will be*
    > deleted* or *formatted (erasing any existing data* in those partitions)
    > according to the installation settings in the previous dialogs.
    > Go back and check the settings if you are unsure."
    >
    > Does this mean I will loose my existing data on /dev/sda3?


    If there is a red line about sda3, yes. No red line with sda3 in teh
    text, no.

    --
    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.
    (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

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    Default Re: OpenSuse 13.1 appears to be not fit for purpose

    Since your upgrade did not work and you only got to text mode:
    Maybe it was a graphics driver issue? Maybe booting to recover mode ("Advanced Options" in the boot menu) or specifying "nomodeset" would help?

    In that case you should expect the same issue on a fresh install.

    What graphics card do you have?
    Which driver did you use on 12.3?
    Did you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf? (that could prevent X from starting if it specifies a driver that cannot be loaded)

    And the conflict you mentioned, was apparently ibus vs. libreoffice-kde4.
    ATM you cannot install both, they conflict with each other. Having both installed could cause problems, so the conflict was added.
    This has been changed already, and the issue worked around in a different way AFAIK, but there's no update yet.
    But most probably you don't need ibus anyway, it's used for entering chinese characters f.e.
    And you don't exactly _need_ libreoffice-kde4 either. That just provides a better integration into KDE4 (i.e. file dialogs), but has its own problems.

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    Default Re: OpenSuse 13.1 appears to be not fit for purpose

    Sorry things didn't work out for you, but please be aware that threadtitles like yours are left unread by a lot of forum users, simply because they think it's another rant. Rather use the title to describe what went wrong. Or what was fabulous .
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    Default Re: OpenSuse 13.1 appears to be not fit for purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by merkland View Post
    Having studied your kind replies and slept on it I thought that rather than 'muddy the waters' even further I would cautiously go for a clean install.
    My main problem with this is that I don't want to loose any of the existing files on /dev/sda3/home.
    I have three hard drives on my system identified as dev/sda,dev/sdb, and dev/sdc. The main drive dev/sda,which is 500G, is currently set up as dual boot with Windows XP and the Windows partition is approx 80GB of this drive.
    I am sitting looking at the installation settings for a new install and under partitioning I have:


    • Format partition /dev/sda2 (20.00 GB) for / with ext4
    • Use /dev/sda1 as swap
    • Set mount point of /dev/sda3 to /home


    If I move to the next screen 'Confirm Installation' it has the warning

    "If you continue now, existing partitions on your hard disk will be deleted or formatted (erasing any existing data in those partitions) according to the installation settings in the previous dialogs.
    Go back and check the settings if you are unsure."

    Does this mean I will loose my existing data on /dev/sda3?

    Clarification / reassurance would be gratefully received.

    Merkland.
    In the install menu , on the partition part, one of the columns is about formatting.
    In the next screen you will see a line in red of every partition openSUSE is going to format.
    The lines in black are partitions it wont format. ( just mount)

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    Default Re: OpenSuse 13.1 appears to be not fit for purpose

    I thought that by putting "appears to be" I was indicating that I was not having a rant but indicating that I could not tie down my problem to one specific thing.
    Having followed OpenSuse from version 9.1 through each new version along the way to 13.1 this is the first time I have had any problem with installation! Perhaps it was a mistake to call it 13.1 but should have been 12.4 and so on until it could be called 14.1!!
    I regret to say that in all that time I have failed miserably to learn the command line business - I claim feeble minded ness due to age! Give me a GUI and I can usually manage.

    I will give the Zypper commands a try to see what happens before reverting to a clean install.

    Many thanks for attempting to help an old ignoramus.

    Merkland.


    Quote Originally Posted by Knurpht View Post
    Sorry things didn't work out for you, but please be aware that threadtitles like yours are left unread by a lot of forum users, simply because they think it's another rant. Rather use the title to describe what went wrong. Or what was fabulous .

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    Default Re: OpenSuse 13.1 appears to be not fit for purpose

    An update on my progress:

    It did not matter what I tried my system would not allow me to use the update installation but kept throwing up errors. In the end I bit the bullet and went for a clean install.
    The clean install went without a hitch and I very quickly had my system back up and running however I have run into the same problem as others in that I can get no sound in Skype. I have attempted the suggested work around without success as I cannot find where in .skype to apply Exec=env PULSE_LATENCY_MSEC=60 skype %U as there does not appear to be any kind of config file.

    merkland.


    Quote Originally Posted by merkland View Post
    I thought that by putting "appears to be" I was indicating that I was not having a rant but indicating that I could not tie down my problem to one specific thing.
    Having followed OpenSuse from version 9.1 through each new version along the way to 13.1 this is the first time I have had any problem with installation! Perhaps it was a mistake to call it 13.1 but should have been 12.4 and so on until it could be called 14.1!!
    I regret to say that in all that time I have failed miserably to learn the command line business - I claim feeble minded ness due to age! Give me a GUI and I can usually manage.

    I will give the Zypper commands a try to see what happens before reverting to a clean install.

    Many thanks for attempting to help an old ignoramus.

    Merkland.

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