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    Default Screen Lag / Freeze / Jerky movement

    Has anybody else noticed this . . .?
    Sometime in the past couple of weeks I have done an update that has resulted in the occasional sporadic screen freeze / lag.
    I'm running openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 with KDE 4.11.2

    I first noticed the problem when scrolling through web pages and noticed that scrolling would occasionally stick momentarily.
    I just assumed that it was a browser / firefox problem but over the next few days I noticed that mouse movements would exhibit the same behaviour - as does dragging around windows such as dolphin. The windows do not move smoothly but with very jerky movements.
    The behaviour disappears as quickly as it appeared.
    Looking in system monitor there isn't any particular strain on cpu or anything else noticeable that might be causing it.
    I don't think there have been any kernel or xorg updates in the past couple of weeks.
    Video is Intel GM45 Express

    Not entirely sure where to look to troubleshoot this.

    any dieas?
    Further info needed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by farcusnz View Post
    Has anybody else noticed this . . .?
    Sometime in the past couple of weeks I have done an update that has resulted in the occasional sporadic screen freeze / lag.
    I'm running openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 with KDE 4.11.2
    I don't have this problem here (also running openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 with KDE 4.11.2).
    Did it start with upgrading KDE to 4.11 maybe? Or did that work fine?

    Maybe have a look in "Configure Desktop"->"Desktop Effects"->"Advanced". "Qt graphics system" should be set to "Raster" and "Composite type" to "OpenGL" (try the different versions, I have no idea which one would be best for your intel chip).

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfi323 View Post
    I don't have this problem here (also running openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 with KDE 4.11.2). Did it start with upgrading KDE to 4.11 maybe? Or did that work fine? Maybe have a look in "Configure Desktop"->"Desktop Effects"->"Advanced". "Qt graphics system" should be set to "Raster" and "Composite type" to "OpenGL" (try the different versions, I have no idea which one would be best for your intel chip).
    Thanks for this I usually run with desktop effects disabled but interestingly, I enabled effects earlier today and the problem hasn't manifested since then. I've now disabled desktop effects again. In advanced Composite was set to OpenGL and QT to Native. I've now changed QT to Raster so I'll play around for a while and see if it makes a difference.

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    Default Re: Screen Lag / Freeze / Jerky movement

    that didn't take long . . .
    problem appeared pretty quickly again after disabling desktop effects - even after changing from native to raster.

    I've been running KDE 4.11 for some time without problem but I see that most kde libs were updated on my system around sept 29 to 4.11.2-5, 6 or 7 so I guess that could be around the time that I first started to notice the issue.

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    And why don't you want to leave the desktop effects enabled? Apparently you don't have this problem then, do you?
    Those graphics system and composite type settings only apply when desktop effects are on.

    You can switch off effects you do not want one by one on the "All Effects" tab.

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    Default Re: Screen Lag / Freeze / Jerky movement

    Quote Originally Posted by farcusnz View Post
    Has anybody else noticed this . . .?
    Sometime in the past couple of weeks I have done an update that has resulted in the occasional sporadic screen freeze / lag.
    I'm running openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 with KDE 4.11.2
    Quite interested when I read this post. Yes, I have noticed this, exactly as described when browsing web-sites. I've not seen it when moving windows around, nor have I seen it with the mouse. Like yourself I put this down to a Firefox issue; however, not having seen any of the other effects I had been trying to establish if it was particular web-sites causing the problem.

    I was going to try combinations of compositing type as suggested by "wolfi323" (interesting that he is not seeing this), but that was before I read your follow-up posts.

    It certainly is random, usually a few times during a days use of the computer. My own guess would be I started seeing this approximately two-three weeks ago, which is broadly in line with your own estimate.

    Just for comparison, a brief summary of my set-up:

    Desktop effects: enabled, (selectively, I've disabled quite a few).
    Animation speed: normal.
    Compositing: raster openGL 3.1
    Desktop theme: oxygen
    Cursor theme: oxygen white
    Video hardware is Nvidia 8600GTS using the proprietary driver (319.32)
    Regards, Paul

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    Running xrestop might help identify which application(s) are showing increased resource usage when the issue occurs. For example, pxm_mem may grow constantly over time which might indicate a particular app has a memory leak, etc.

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    Default Re: Screen Lag / Freeze / Jerky movement

    Quote Originally Posted by farcusnz View Post
    Has anybody else noticed this . . .?
    Sometime in the past couple of weeks I have done an update that has resulted in the occasional sporadic screen freeze / lag.
    I'm running openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 with KDE 4.11.2

    ...

    Not entirely sure where to look to troubleshoot this.

    any dieas?
    Further info needed?
    Hi,
    Intel GM45, so is that the Thinkpad SL510? Still multi-booting mine with 12.3 Tumbleweed/KDE 11.2, 12.2/KDE standard, and Win 7, with none of your symptoms or any other graphics related issues.

    Are you running on the original HDD supplied by lenovo?

    Your screen freezes/lags remind me of the first symptoms experienced here when my HDD began to fail with intermittent errors. It carried on intermittently for several months, thanks to ext4's resilience, before a fatal error crippled file system's journal and that partition. Some time later a second partition failed and I replaced the disk. With hindsight, I should have changed it sooner, but then I wouldn't have experienced the challenge of repairing Win 7 to support replacement with a modern advanced function disk (the spinning variety).

    I suggest you run "smartctl" on the disk to examine usage and error stats. You should also run through a full memory test to eliminate it as a possible cause.

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    Default Re: Screen Lag / Freeze / Jerky movement

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfi323 View Post
    And why don't you want to leave the desktop effects enabled?
    Just personal preference. No technical reason.
    Perhaps it is time I got used to having effects enabled, and indeed playing around today it does seem quite nice. :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by consused View Post
    Hi,
    Intel GM45, so is that the Thinkpad SL510?
    Yes, spot on. :-)

    Still multi-booting mine with 12.3 Tumbleweed/KDE 11.2, 12.2/KDE standard, and Win 7, with none of your symptoms or any other graphics related issues.
    Are you running on the original HDD supplied by lenovo?
    Yes, still running original HD.
    I did think that may be the cause but I couldn't reproduce any symptoms in Win7 (still multiboot - booted in for first time in about six months today)

    Because KDE was updated about the time I started to see the symptoms I wanted to have a play with that.
    I switched from 4.11 to the 4.10 but the problem was still present (and perhaps worse)
    switched back to 4.11 and now the problem has disappeared on me (and indeed 4.11 seems a little snappier).
    I'll need to play around for a few days to check I guess, but it may have just been an update gone wrong that caused the trouble.
    I'll keep you posted if it returns and also follow the other suggestions if I see it again.

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    OK - so it seems the problem hasn't cleared up as I had hoped (and it is evident with desktop effects enabled so I got that bit wrong).

    I've followed the advice given but nothing really stands out to me.

    Memtest showed no errors.

    this is the output from smartctl but I think it looks OK

    Code:
    smartctl 6.0 2012-10-10 r3643 [x86_64-linux-3.7.10-1.16-desktop] (SUSE RPM)
    Copyright (C) 2002-12, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org
    
    === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
    Model Family:     Western Digital Scorpio Blue Serial ATA
    Device Model:     WDC WD2500BEVT-08A23T1
    Serial Number:    WD-WXG1AB0T1607
    LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 2affa86de
    Firmware Version: 02.01A02
    User Capacity:    250,059,350,016 bytes [250 GB]
    Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
    Rotation Rate:    5400 rpm
    Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
    ATA Version is:   ATA8-ACS (minor revision not indicated)
    SATA Version is:  SATA 2.6, 3.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)
    Local Time is:    Fri Oct 18 14:54:56 2013 JST
    SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
    SMART support is: Enabled
    
    === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
    SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
    
    General SMART Values:
    Offline data collection status:  (0x00)    Offline data collection activity
                        was never started.
                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
    Self-test execution status:      (   0)    The previous self-test routine completed
                        without error or no self-test has ever 
                        been run.
    Total time to complete Offline 
    data collection:         ( 6780) seconds.
    Offline data collection
    capabilities:              (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                        Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                        Suspend Offline collection upon new
                        command.
                        Offline surface scan supported.
                        Self-test supported.
                        Conveyance Self-test supported.
                        Selective Self-test supported.
    SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)    Saves SMART data before entering
                        power-saving mode.
                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
    Error logging capability:        (0x01)    Error logging supported.
                        General Purpose Logging supported.
    Short self-test routine 
    recommended polling time:      (   2) minutes.
    Extended self-test routine
    recommended polling time:      (  82) minutes.
    Conveyance self-test routine
    recommended polling time:      (   5) minutes.
    SCT capabilities:            (0x7037)    SCT Status supported.
                        SCT Feature Control supported.
                        SCT Data Table supported.
    
    SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
    Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
    ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
      1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x002f   200   200   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
      3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   136   132   021    Pre-fail  Always       -       2183
      4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   001   001   000    Old_age   Always       -       288442
      5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
      7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x002f   200   200   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
      9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   085   085   000    Old_age   Always       -       11518
     10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
     11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
     12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   097   097   000    Old_age   Always       -       3732
    192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       239
    193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   001   001   000    Old_age   Always       -       2627729
    194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   090   087   000    Old_age   Always       -       53
    196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
    199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0008   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
    240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0032   091   091   000    Old_age   Always       -       6795
    
    SMART Error Log Version: 1
    No Errors Logged
    
    SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
    Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
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    # 2  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     11516         -
    # 3  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      8554         -
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    # 9  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      2863         -
    #10  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      1867         -
    #11  Short offline       Aborted by host               10%       494         -
    #12  Vendor (0x50)       Completed without error       00%         0         -
    
    SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
     SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
        1        0        0  Not_testing
        2        0        0  Not_testing
        3        0        0  Not_testing
        4        0        0  Not_testing
        5        0        0  Not_testing
    Selective self-test flags (0x0):
      After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
    If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.
    and xrestop

    Code:
    xrestop - Display: localhost:0
              Monitoring 37 clients. XErrors: 0
              Pixmaps:   29383K total, Other:      97K total, All:   29480K total
    
    res-base Wins  GCs Fnts Pxms Misc   Pxm mem  Other   Total   PID Identifier    
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    2600000    54    1    1  218  304     8421K      9K   8431K  1207 kwin
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