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    Hi,

    I noticed, when editing a a .odt file created on my desktop machine
    (running 12.3), that my laptop (running 11.4) did not display some cells
    correctly. It turns out that the Arial Narrow font is missing in this
    laptop.

    I ran again the fetchmsttfonts script, to no avail.

    I have these:

    Code:
    /usr/share/fonts/truetype/arial.ttf
    /usr/share/fonts/truetype/arialbd.ttf
    /usr/share/fonts/truetype/arialbi.ttf
    /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ariali.ttf
    whereas my Windows partition has:

    arial.ttf arialbd.ttf arialbi.ttf ariali.ttf
    ARIALN.TTF ARIALNB.TTF ARIALNBI.TTF ARIALNI.TTF ARIALUNI.TTF


    The second row is missing in the Linux side.

    So the question is whether this is normal, you people also have the
    Arial Narrow Windows fonts missing or it is only me.


    I have copied the fonts from the Windows side, run SuSEconfig, and now I
    have Arial Narrow in LibreOffice. But maybe this font does not have the
    same license as the other Arial fonts :-?


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    Default Re: arial font question

    These are the arial fonts I have installed:

    Code:
    /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial.ttf
    /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial_Bold.ttf
    /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial_Italic.ttf
    /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial_Bold_Italic.ttf
    Named differently and in another location, but the same four fonts you had listed.
    Regards, Paul

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    Default Re: arial font question

    On 2013-10-09 10:26, tannington wrote:
    >
    > These are the arial fonts I have installed:
    >
    >
    > Code:
    > --------------------
    > /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial.ttf
    > /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial_Bold.ttf
    > /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial_Italic.ttf
    > /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial_Bold_Italic.ttf
    > --------------------
    >
    >
    > Named differently and in another location, but the same four fonts you
    > had listed.


    Yes... Arial Narrow is not there, too. So it must be out of the
    permissive agreement that allows people to freely copy them.

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    On 2013-10-09, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
    > Yes... Arial Narrow is not there, too. So it must be out of the
    > permissive agreement that allows people to freely copy them.


    This of course in no way answers your question .

    I say boycott Arial. Its popularity is only a result of Microsoft's desire to avoid paying license fees for Helvetica.
    There's nothing wrong with basing one font on another; for example Helvetica is based on Grotesk. I do however find it
    reprehensible to rip-off of fonts purely for licensing rather than artistic reasons.

    For an argument for, see http://www.marksimonson.com/notebook...ourge-of-arial
    For an argument against, see http://ilovetypography.com/2007/10/0...sus-helvetica/
    For telling them apart, see http://www.marksimonson.com/notebook...-to-spot-arial
    For testing yourself, see http://www.ironicsans.com/helvarialquiz/

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    On 2013-10-09 12:04, flymail wrote:
    > On 2013-10-09, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
    >> Yes... Arial Narrow is not there, too. So it must be out of the
    >> permissive agreement that allows people to freely copy them.

    >
    > This of course in no way answers your question .
    >
    > I say boycott Arial. Its popularity is only a result of Microsoft's desire to avoid paying license fees for Helvetica.
    > There's nothing wrong with basing one font on another; for example Helvetica is based on Grotesk. I do however find it
    > reprehensible to rip-off of fonts purely for licensing rather than artistic reasons.


    Actually, I agree.

    But it happens that the arial narrow font is useful for spreadsheets, to
    keep the cells smaller, so that I can view more cells without shifting
    left-right all the time. I did try other narrow fonts, but this seemed
    best. If you know a freely available equivalent to it, I'll try.

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    On 2013-10-09, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
    > Actually, I agree.




    > But it happens that the arial narrow font is useful for spreadsheets, to
    > keep the cells smaller, so that I can view more cells without shifting
    > left-right all the time. I did try other narrow fonts, but this seemed
    > best. If you know a freely available equivalent to it, I'll try.


    I believe the `free' version of Arial is called Liberation Sans. Since the free version is designed to be metrically
    identical, there should be a Liberation Sans Narrow font if there's one for Arial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flymail View Post
    On 2013-10-09, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
    > Actually, I agree.




    > But it happens that the arial narrow font is useful for spreadsheets, to
    > keep the cells smaller, so that I can view more cells without shifting
    > left-right all the time. I did try other narrow fonts, but this seemed
    > best. If you know a freely available equivalent to it, I'll try.


    I believe the `free' version of Arial is called Liberation Sans. Since the free version is designed to be metrically
    identical, there should be a Liberation Sans Narrow font if there's one for Arial.

    Yeah, the liberation sans narrow is a good alternative, that's the one I am using.

    @ robin_listas there's no arial narrow here also.
    People who do not break things first will never learn to create anything

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    Default Re: arial font question

    On 2013-10-09 12:40, flymail wrote:
    > On 2013-10-09, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:


    >> best. If you know a freely available equivalent to it, I'll try.

    >
    > I believe the `free' version of Arial is called Liberation Sans. Since the free version is designed to be metrically
    > identical, there should be a Liberation Sans Narrow font if there's one for Arial.


    Thanks. The problem for many people like me is knowing the equivalents.
    Yes, I wrote two lines in LO write and they are terribly similar.
    However, in LO calc, the zero is different. Sizes are the same, anyhow.

    I'll switch my entire calc sheet to Liberation Sans later.


    Another issue why people may want to keep using Arial is sharing the
    files with Windows users. It is probably easier for us to have Arial
    installed, than it is for them to have the free equivalent.

    On the other hand, when I write a document to be emailed as PDF, I try
    to use the native postscript fonts - which I always forget which they
    are. These fonts are native to all PDF viewers; different fonts have to
    be included in the PDF file making them larger.

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    Default Re: arial font question

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On the other hand, when I write a document to be emailed as PDF, I try
    to use the native postscript fonts - which I always forget which they
    are. These fonts are native to all PDF viewers; different fonts have to
    be included in the PDF file making them larger.

    The PDF Core fonts are:

    Courier
    Courier Bold
    Courier Bold Italic
    Courier Italic
    Helvetica
    Helvetica Bold
    Helvetica Bold Italic
    Helvetica Italic
    Symbol
    Times New Roman
    Times New Roman Bold
    Times New Roman Bold Italic
    Times New Roman Italic
    Zapf Dingbats
    Regards, Paul

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    Default Re: arial font question

    On 2013-10-09 20:06, tannington wrote:

    >
    > The PDF Core fonts are:
    >
    > Courier
    > Courier Bold
    > Courier Bold Italic
    > Courier Italic
    > Helvetica
    > Helvetica Bold
    > Helvetica Bold Italic
    > Helvetica Italic
    > Symbol
    > Times New Roman
    > Times New Roman Bold
    > Times New Roman Bold Italic
    > Times New Roman Italic
    > Zapf Dingbats


    Those, thanks.

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