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    Default Too many subforums !!

    I'm just going to voice my opinion that there is unnecessary complexity in the forums ... specifically, there is too many subforums -- its compartmentalization to the nth degree!

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    Default Re: Too many subforums !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler_K View Post
    I'm just going to voice my opinion that there is unnecessary complexity in the forums ... specifically, there is too many subforums -- its compartmentalization to the nth degree!
    Try "dslreports". They make opensuse look like pikers with respect to the number of forums.

    I just click the "New Posts" link near the top left. That shows me recent posts, with the newest first.

    When I'm done, I again click "New Posts". Then I click "Mark Forums Read". Then I go check any new posts from my last load.

    When I next return to the forums, and do the same, I only see what is new since my previous visit.
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    Default Re: Too many subforums !!

    On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:46:02 +0000, Tyler K wrote:

    > I'm just going to voice _my_opinion_ that there is unnecessary
    > complexity in the forums ... specifically, there is too many subforums
    > -- its compartmentalization to the nth degree!


    Thanks for your feedback. How would you organize them? (I'm not saying
    we'll change it, but I'm interested in what you think would be an
    appropriate breakdown)

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    Default Re: Too many subforums !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler_K View Post
    I'm just going to voice my opinion that there is unnecessary complexity in the forums ... specifically, there is too many subforums -- its compartmentalization to the nth degree!
    Here is another opinion. That's somewhat surprising, since modularity can reduce complexity. So if you work from the list of all subforums, expecting to check each one, that's a mechanical approach best left to machines. The human version, i.e. to work from a list of new posts, is easier for us, so we can choose the subjects of interest and respond to just those. The in-tray seems to have worked well over the centuries, but the prioritization may have changed with increased volume. Do they still call it "Time Management" and all that productivity stuff, I wonder.

    Perhaps you think some suforums should be pruned, if so, which ones?

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    Tyler,

    I agree with you.

    Simpler is better and more efficient.
    Thanks, Andy

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    I don't know -- I don't have particularly concrete answers. Its just something that has bugged me for a while.

    • I think a little pruning would definitely help.
    • inefficient ... yes, I agree with that description ... there is an inefficiency when one has to scroll down a fair ways to see all the subforums ... even more so the case when your reading upon a high res. monitor and they can't all fit into the vertical dimension -- that just doesn't seem right to me (that a distro needs that much separation of things)
    • yeah, I was actually thinking about DSL when I posted ... I think xda has them beat though (but I could be wrong)
    • yep, I know about the what's new feature ... but I'm not big on the way the forum software presents it here ... other implementations are better (though maybe this one can be tailored too. don't know)... in any regard, I prefer to see all topics and scan them visually ... sometimes there are things that, last time you visited, which you overlooked (purposely or by mistake) or is something that might actually interest you today (but wasn't so important yesterday) etc. etc.


    I guess, just as a very quick example of a way things could be trimmed down a bit, I'd offer the suggestion that
    • wireless gets merged into networking ... feels like a pretty artificial separation to me too... kind of strikes me as odd to given the predominance that wireless has come to play within the realm of networking
    • laptop ... strikes me odd, or archaic, given there is a general hardware section ... also at odds to the fact that there isn't a desktop section. But why should there be? <--And that's the whole point. From the distro's perspective, what is it that necessitates a division between traditional desktop devices and laptop/notebook devices? There certainly isn't a "KDE 64 bit desktop" download vs. a distinct one for laptops... and also similar to the point about "wireless", laptop/notebook/mobile is quickly usurping the traditional computing platform, so the segregation seems out of place
    • games, multimedia ... is it necessary to split up application discussion into further sub sections?


    There are probably plenty of good arguments both for and against such discussion. I recognize its impossible please everyone.

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    Tyler K wrote:
    > I guess, just as a very quick example of a way things could be trimmed
    > down a bit, I'd offer the suggestion that
    >
    > - wireless gets merged into networking ... feels like a pretty
    > artificial separation to me too... kind of strikes me as odd to given
    > the predominance that wireless has come to play within the realm of
    > networking


    I'm afraid I'm going to object to pretty much all your suggestions,
    starting with this one. Wireless is a very specific group of
    technologies and has some people who are expert in them. So separating
    it from general posts about routing, DSL, DNS, NFS etc etc saves both
    the experts and the non-experts from having to wade through the stuff
    that doesn't interest them.

    There are so many posts on these forums that cutting down how many I
    have to skim over to get to look at the ones I might be able to help
    with is a major concern for me, and I expect for others. By not
    subscribing to the wireless forum, that saves me a bunch of wasted time.

    > - laptop ... strikes me odd, or archaic, given there is a general
    > hardware section ... also at odds to the fact that there isn't a
    > desktop section. But why should there be? <--And that's the whole
    > point. From the _distro's_perspective_, what is it that necessitates
    > a division between traditional desktop devices and laptop/notebook
    > devices?


    Again, laptops tend to use somewhat different technology and the issues
    are different, so the fact I don't have to subscribe to it is very
    useful to me.

    > There certainly isn't a "KDE 64 bit desktop" download vs. a
    > distinct one for laptops... and also similar to the point about
    > "wireless", laptop/notebook/mobile is quickly usurping the traditional
    > computing platform, so the segregation seems out of place


    You're starting from a presumption that we're only considering user
    devices. There are a bunch of us who are equally or more concerned about
    the servers that sit in air-conditioned secluded splendour. And yes, I'd
    love to see all KDE questions in a separate forum, so I could ignore
    those with no time wasted too!

    > - games, multimedia ... is it necessary to split up application
    > discussion into further sub sections?


    I have no interest in games so I certainly don't want to read about them.

    Multimedia has different technical issues; maybe it could be linked with
    display hardware.

    > There are probably plenty of good arguments both for and against such
    > discussion. I recognize its impossible please everyone.


    I do agree with you here In fact, you'll usually find me on the side
    of reducing the number of forums etc, but not in the openSUSE case I'm
    afraid.

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    Default Re: Too many subforums !!

    We should also look at this from the OP's viewpoint, the one with the problem. Already mentioned is the fact that subdivision helps the experts, and that directly benefits the OP and others interested.

    Subdivision probably doesn't work so well in browsing mode. However, for those threads in which you may want to revisit and contemplate previous postings, the ability to "subscribe" to those threads is way better than searching/browsing the subfora.

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    consused wrote:
    > Subdivision probably doesn't work so well in browsing mode. However, for
    > those threads you may want to revisit and contemplate previous postings,
    > the ability to "subscribe" to those threads is way better than
    > searching/browsing the subfora.


    There's no ability to subscribe to individual threads in the NNTP interface.

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    Default Re: Too many subforums !!

    Quote Originally Posted by djh-novell View Post
    consused wrote:
    > Subdivision probably doesn't work so well in browsing mode. However, for
    > those threads you may want to revisit and contemplate previous postings,
    > the ability to "subscribe" to those threads is way better than
    > searching/browsing the subfora.


    There's no ability to subscribe to individual threads in the NNTP interface.
    Yes, I now recall the time I gave NNTP a try, so for everyone else then thread subscription is a useful feature.

    Out of interest, can NNTP users subscribe to a subfora directly without the main group?

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