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  1. #31
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    Default Re: Too many subforums !!

    Jim Henderson wrote:
    > On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:59:57 +0000, vazhavandan wrote:
    >
    >> It is bad sw design that readers don't fetch something that exists.

    >
    > I don't disagree, but I don't know how you expect us to fix newsreaders
    > that don't behave as expected.
    >
    >> It is aasier to understand nntp groups easier to understand if you have
    >> already used web based forums.

    >
    > Perhaps, but some "new eyes" to provide specific, concrete examples would
    > be helpful. Most of us who use NNTP these days have been using it on
    > these forums for years, so it's hard to look at them with new eyes.
    >
    > Jim
    >


    It was just a rant . It is one those silly things that you say aloud
    I generally don't use these forums to post questions as my requirement
    from openSUSE are minimal:-

    ==>play an odd mp3
    ==>play some video
    ==>browse the net
    ==>Very rarely i do open some documents in LibreOffice
    ==>Run some J2ee code with eclipse.
    ==>I want to learn touth typing(but i am too lazy put an effort into it)

    Hence i wouldn't be the right person to comment on how the nntp forums
    should be named so that it can be named / re-named

    I do understand that People may need to do alot of these stuff on their
    machines. I think the best way is to list *all* imaginable questions
    like the ones listed below and do a "group by" category and check
    whether existing forum structure does 50~70% of the job correctly then
    we should retain existing structure. Frequently changing forum structure
    is also bad from an end users point of view.

    configure samba, wireless card,set up apache,set up mysql,set up
    squid/set up proxy,connect "i"devices,connect bluetooth speakers,
    connect a guitar, compose music etc.., run 5 OSes on virtual machine,
    run an android emnulator, configure graphics card (people pay money for
    these and nvidia and co should publish linux drivers ),connect old boxes
    to make super computers, Connect to remote machines, run 32 bit stuff on
    64 bit etc etc


    People/humans can overcourse of time get used to some bad things like
    *restarting machine* when it gets stuck instead of reading messages in
    var/log etc..

    I belive that not a lot of the forum users really care about forum
    stucture . They want to get their questions answered.End of story.

    It is probably the SMEs(Subject Matter Experts) who care about forum
    structure so that they can effectively answer some questions. I think

    *It would be great if really **learned** users in these forums can point
    out as to how the forums should look so that they would be more likely
    to contribute to the forums.*


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    Default Re: Too many subforums !!

    Jim Henderson wrote:
    > On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:59:57 +0000, vazhavandan wrote:
    >> It is aasier to understand nntp groups easier to understand if you have
    >> already used web based forums.

    >
    > Perhaps, but some "new eyes" to provide specific, concrete examples would
    > be helpful. Most of us who use NNTP these days have been using it on
    > these forums for years, so it's hard to look at them with new eyes.


    Indeed, some of us have used newsgroups since before the web existed,
    even before NNTP existed, so the understanding has nothing whatsoever to
    do with the mess that is web forums.

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    Default Re: Too many subforums !!

    Quote Originally Posted by hendersj View Post
    On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:13:25 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
    > I have had doubts at times about which group is appropriate for a
    > question, yes.

    Let's get a list together so we can figure out how to make it clearer,
    then.
    > For instance... there are two "announcements" groups, two "news". The
    > difference is not clear.

    These four:

    opensuse.org.news.announcements
    opensuse.org.news.opensuse-news
    opensuse.org.news.security-announcements
    opensuse.org.news.tech-news

    ?
    Some opinion and thoughts, bearing in mind the Forum is a channel for the openSUSE project:

    Announcements and news are different. Announcements (infrequent) i.e. important to Forum Members and should stand out from general openSUSE project and forum related news. Example of announcement: the Tech News sub-forum is closing, so in future please post that in blah, blah...

    Most of "tech news" is not openSUSE specific, and it is used less infrequently nowadays. It could just as easily be discussed as a posting in Chit-chat or Soapbox. Surely the openSUSE Forum is not in the news business for other organizations? It could be pruned i.e. candidate for removal.

    Security-announcements are not "announcements", they are "advisories", important and openSUSE/SUSE specific. Probably deserving of segregation (for both +ve and -ve reasons ).

    But that is just looking through my old eyes, and their will be opposing views.

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    Default Re: Too many subforums !!

    consused wrote:
    > hendersj;2587720 Wrote:
    >> On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:13:25 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
    >>> I have had doubts at times about which group is appropriate for a
    >>> question, yes.

    >> Let's get a list together so we can figure out how to make it clearer,
    >> then.
    >>> For instance... there are two "announcements" groups, two "news". The
    >>> difference is not clear.

    >> These four:
    >>
    >> opensuse.org.news.announcements
    >> opensuse.org.news.opensuse-news
    >> opensuse.org.news.security-announcements
    >> opensuse.org.news.tech-news
    >>
    >> ?
    >>

    > Some opinion and thoughts, bearing in mind the Forum is a channel for
    > the openSUSE project:
    >
    > Announcements and news are different. Announcements (infrequent) i.e.
    > important to Forum Members and should stand out from general openSUSE
    > project and forum related news. Example of announcement: the Tech News
    > sub-forum is closing, so in future please post that in blah, blah...
    >
    > Most of "tech news" is not openSUSE specific, and it is used less
    > infrequently nowadays. It could just as easily be discussed as a posting
    > in Chit-chat or Soapbox. Surely the openSUSE Forum is not in the news
    > business for other organizations? It could be pruned i.e. candidate for
    > removal.
    >
    > Security-announcements are not "announcements", they are "advisories",
    > important and openSUSE/SUSE specific. Probably deserving of segregation
    > (for both +ve and -ve reasons ).
    >
    > But that is just looking through my old eyes, and their will be opposing
    > views.


    FWIW, I am subscribed to opensuse.org.news.announcements but none of the
    others.

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    Default Re: Too many subforums !!

    On 2013-09-25 12:42, Dave Howorth wrote:

    > There's no ability to subscribe to individual threads in the NNTP interface.


    Yes, you can. Kind of. :-)

    In thunderbird, I can mark a thread as "watch this thread", which puts a
    little "eye" icon on it. If you sort by thread and date, a thread with a
    watch on it and a new post goes to the very bottom (or top, if you sort
    that way) where it is highly visible.

    I combine that with a filter that automatically marks as watched a
    thread in which I posted.

    You can also display only watched threads.

    And a group (forum) which gets new posts get a "star" on the name.

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    Default Re: Too many subforums !!

    On 2013-09-26 07:13, Jim Henderson wrote:
    > On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:13:25 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:



    >> For instance... there are two "announcements" groups, two "news". The
    >> difference is not clear.

    >
    > These four:
    >
    > opensuse.org.news.announcements
    > opensuse.org.news.opensuse-news
    > opensuse.org.news.security-announcements
    > opensuse.org.news.tech-news
    >
    > ?


    Yep.

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    Default Re: Too many subforums !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler_K View Post
    I'm just going to voice my opinion that there is unnecessary complexity in the forums ... specifically, there is too many subforums -- its compartmentalization to the nth degree!
    And I am going to respectfully disagree. It could be a lot finer and isn't.
    The forums have taken the path of the industry, ie specialization. Otherwise there would only be a need for 2 forums, hardware and software.
    Granularity is good.
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    Default Re: Too many subforums !!

    On 2013-09-26 07:15, Jim Henderson wrote:
    > On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:59:57 +0000, vazhavandan wrote:
    >
    >> It is bad sw design that readers don't fetch something that exists.

    >
    > I don't disagree, but I don't know how you expect us to fix newsreaders
    > that don't behave as expected.
    >


    I don't know, for instance, where Thunderbird would display the description.

    >> It is aasier to understand nntp groups easier to understand if you have
    >> already used web based forums.

    >
    > Perhaps, but some "new eyes" to provide specific, concrete examples would
    > be helpful. Most of us who use NNTP these days have been using it on
    > these forums for years, so it's hard to look at them with new eyes.


    Indeed :-)

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    Default Re: Too many subforums !!

    Quote Originally Posted by consused View Post
    Mmm, Kim describes himself as "Guy walking behind the parade with the shovel". That makes for an interesting juxtaposition, and probably defies the laws of anatomy.
    Hahahahahah, quite a mental image.
    openSUSE 13.2

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    Default Re: Too many subforums !!

    On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:42:38 +0000, Dave Howorth wrote:

    > There's no ability to subscribe to individual threads in the NNTP
    > interface.


    Myself, I use Pan's scoring mechanism. It also has the ability to filter
    based on "watched" threads (scored 9999) and threads that you've posted
    in.

    Not quite the same as e-mail notifications, but pretty close in terms of
    being able to see threads with new posts in them (which is actually
    another filter).

    Jim



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