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    Default Installing additional language: Syriac

    Hi folks!

    I have a friend who uses Ubuntu. He's interested in trying out openSUSE/kde, but only if it supports Syriac language (which Ubuntu does).

    When I checked in yast --> languages, I couldn't find the language. I also tried to search for 'syriac' in yast --> software management, but nothing turned up.

    Does openSUSE support Syriac (or Aramaic, serto, estrangela)?
    If so, how do I go about installing it?

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    Default Re: Installing additional language: Syriac

    Brahma-Vihara wrote:
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    > Hi folks!
    >
    > I have a friend who uses Ubuntu. He's interested in trying out
    > openSUSE/kde, but only if it supports Syriac language (which Ubuntu
    > does).
    >
    > When I checked in yast --> languages, I couldn't find the language. I
    > also tried to search for 'syriac' in yast --> software management, but
    > nothing turned up.
    >
    > Does openSUSE support Syriac (or Aramaic, serto, estrangela)?
    > If so, how do I go about installing it?
    >
    >


    You should ensure that the language is available in KDE too.

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    Default Re: Installing additional language: Syriac

    On 2013-09-11 23:56, Brahma-Vihara wrote:
    > Does openSUSE support Syriac (or Aramaic, serto, estrangela)?
    > If so, how do I go about installing it?


    You need the language to be supported upstream.

    As for openSUSE components, look here for your language:

    Translation
    teams


    (I do not see it)

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    Default Re: Installing additional language: Syriac

    Quote Originally Posted by vazhavandan View Post
    Brahma-Vihara wrote:
    >
    > Hi folks!
    >
    ...<snip>...
    >
    > Does openSUSE support Syriac (or Aramaic, serto, estrangela)?
    > If so, how do I go about installing it?
    >
    >


    You should ensure that the language is available in KDE too.

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    I found the following info on KDE - Internationalization/Localization :

    "All KDE applications support the "right-to-left" interface mode as well as Indian languages (Devanagari, Bengali, Tamil, Syriac, Tibetan, Khmer)."

    So it seems KDE supports it. What do I do now?

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    Default Re: Installing additional language: Syriac

    On 2013-09-12 11:26, Brahma-Vihara wrote:

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    > I found the following info on 'KDE - Internationalization/Localization'
    > (http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/i18n.php) :
    >
    > "All KDE applications support the "right-to-left" interface mode as well
    > as Indian languages (Devanagari, Bengali, Tamil, -*Syriac,*- Tibetan,
    > Khmer)."
    >
    > So it seems KDE supports it. What do I do now?


    It only means that KDE supports that type of language. Is the language
    itself translated at KDE?

    If you look at the list of translator teams (from your link above) you
    will see there is none for "syriac".

    I'd hazard a guess: Ubuntu does not send its translation upstream.

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    Default Re: Installing additional language: Syriac

    The package bundle-lang-other has Syriac.
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    Default Re: Installing additional language: Syriac

    Quote Originally Posted by Knurpht View Post
    The package bundle-lang-other has Syriac.
    Thanks so much Knurpht!

    Now that I've installed the package, what am I supposed to do next? When I look in Yast->languages or KDE's Configure desktop->locale, there are no new languages added in the list.

    Do I need to 'activate' the package in some way in order for it to show up?

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    On 2013-09-13 00:06, Brahma-Vihara wrote:
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    > Knurpht;2584295 Wrote:
    >> The package bundle-lang-other has Syriac.

    >
    > Thank so much Knurpht!
    >
    > Now that I've installed the package, what am I supposed to do next? When
    > I look in Yast->languages or KDE's Configure desktop->locale, there are
    > no new languages added in the list.
    >
    > Do I need to 'activate' the package in some way in order for it to show
    > up?


    Because that package does not contain KDE translations. In fact, the
    package is empty!

    It contains a README file that says:

    +++···························
    This package is left intentionally blank.

    It provides locales, we do not have real bundles for and is extended
    by real translations.
    ···························++-

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    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On 2013-09-13 00:06, Brahma-Vihara wrote:
    >
    > Knurpht;2584295 Wrote:
    >> The package bundle-lang-other has Syriac.

    >

    ... <snip>...

    >
    > Do I need to 'activate' the package in some way in order for it to show
    > up?


    Because that package does not contain KDE translations. In fact, the
    package is empty!

    It contains a README file that says:

    +++···························
    This package is left intentionally blank.

    It provides locales, we do not have real bundles for and is extended
    by real translations.
    ···························++-

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    Thanks Carlos!
    That explains it
    So what are my options? Can I be of any help upstream to remedy the situation? Can I do the work, even though I don't know language? Is it a lot of work (maybe I can convince my friend to do it, if it's not time consuming)?

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    Default Re: Installing additional language: Syriac

    On 2013-09-15 22:56, Brahma-Vihara wrote:
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    > robin_listas;2584461 Wrote:


    >> Because that package does not contain KDE translations. In fact, the
    >> package is empty!



    > Thanks Carlos!
    > That explains it


    Welcome.
    It happens that I'm a translator, thus I know a bit about the issues ;-)

    > So what are my options? Can I be of any help upstream to remedy the
    > situation? Can I do the work, even though I don't know language? Is it a
    > lot of work (maybe I can convince my friend to do it, if it's not time
    > consuming)?


    It is a lot of work for one person, not worth it unless someone pays
    you, or you are very, very, very interested.

    How to do it?

    Well, you have to add yourself (or your friend) to several projects. For
    the translation of openSUSE software (YaST and a few things more) you
    have to create a new language under the openSUSE translator "project"
    (link on my first post here). There is a mail list where contributors
    talk. I contribute there.

    Then for the translation of KDE, you have to join the equivalent KDE
    group. Gnome has another group, etc. Firefox, OpenOffice
    (Libreoffice?)... each have their own teams, and their own method of
    applying translations to code.

    Then GNU software is translated under the GNU Translation Project. Link
    here:

    Code:
    http://translationproject.org/html/welcome.html?team=index
    I contribute a bit to the Spanish team. This group provides translations
    for many things... for example, bash.

    Manual pages are seldom translated. However, big projects (KDE, etc) may
    translate their own documentation and help files to different degrees.

    Ah, some software projects are not attached to any translator team, they
    go on their own - for example, xine (I translate it to Spanish). The
    result is that they are translated to few languages, if any - with some
    exceptions, for popular software.


    There are other translation projects, independent, of which I know very
    little. Pottle, for instance. No, wrong name... :-? Ah, pootle! Link:

    Code:
    http://pootle.translatehouse.org/?id=pootle/index
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pootle

    I don't contribute there, not my style. I think it is a kind of wiki
    type contribution: each person translates one string and submits it.
    Others may modify, review, whatever those strigs, one by one. I'm unsure.

    I understand, but I'm unsure, that ubuntu uses some similar translation
    style, and they don't contribute their translations upstream, so that
    people on other distributions may benefit. Which is why Ubuntu has a
    translation for your friend's language, and openSUSE doesn't. (This
    paragraph is not verified information)

    IMO, that's an unfair waste of effort, not the opensource style.

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