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    Default Re: Importing mail etc from 11.4 to 12.3 and maybe an alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On 2013-07-13 18:56, wolfi323 wrote:
    > Most of the stuff you wrote sounds just like FUD IMHO.
    > Maybe caused by bugs in some earlier versions or because it didn't
    > really work on some distributions because of packaging errors or using
    > not-working-well-together versions of different libraries...


    Many people reported problems with mail migration using kmail from
    earlier versions to the current ones. I can not give you details, but I
    have seen many posts about it.
    Yes, I know.
    Especially on 12.2 it didn't work at all AFAIR. Don't know what the current state is.
    But migrating isn't necessary. Just reconfigure the Local Folders resource to point to the old mail folder (or set up a new Local or KMail Folders resource which points to your old mail folder), setup your mail accounts and you're good to go.

    There is one generalized method for email migration that works across
    different clients, for the emails at least; contacts we have no such luck.

    You need an imap server, better on the local network. On the old client,
    move or copy all email to the server. On the new client, just retrieve
    all email.
    Yeah, right. IMAP would be the best way to deal with mails anyway, if you have the possibility.
    Especially if you want to access the mails from different clients or different machines/devices...
    I switched all my accounts to IMAP last year.

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    Default Re: Importing mail etc from 11.4 to 12.3 and maybe an alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfi323 View Post
    You can enable/disable file indexing and mail indexing separately in "Configure Desktop"->"Desktop Search".
    Since you apparently were talking about file indexing here which even would happen if you uninstalled KMail/Akonadi (although it should be disabled by default on 12.3) I want to add something:
    You can also configure which folders or filetypes the file indexer should index in "Configure Desktop"->"Desktop Search".
    So you could explicitely disable your video folder, or explicitely disable the indexing of all video files as well in there.

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    Default Re: Importing mail etc from 11.4 to 12.3 and maybe an alternative

    On 2013-07-14 15:36, wolfi323 wrote:
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    > robin_listas;2571674 Wrote:


    >> Many people reported problems with mail migration using kmail from
    >> earlier versions to the current ones. I can not give you details, but I
    >> have seen many posts about it.


    > Yes, I know.
    > Especially on 12.2 it didn't work at all AFAIR. Don't know what the
    > current state is.
    > But migrating isn't necessary. Just reconfigure the Local Folders
    > resource to point to the old mail folder (or set up a new Local or KMail
    > Folders resource which points to your old mail folder), setup your mail
    > accounts and you're good to go.


    Yes, that should be so.

    >> There is one generalized method for email migration that works across
    >> different clients, for the emails at least; contacts we have no such
    >> luck.
    >>
    >> You need an imap server, better on the local network. On the old client,
    >> move or copy all email to the server. On the new client, just retrieve
    >> all email.


    > Yeah, right. IMAP would be the best way to deal with mails anyway, if
    > you have the possibility.
    > Especially if you want to access the mails from different clients or
    > different machines/devices...
    > I switched all my accounts to IMAP last year.


    Me too, a bit earlier. The problem is that you have to setup an imap
    server, which is a bit of a hassle. But there are rewards: accessing the
    mails from any client or any machine, as you say, is very nice. It is
    also possible to sync different imap servers.

    I use dovecot; upgrading to 12.3 had an added problem, because there was
    a major version change in dovecot, and I had to read some manuals again.
    But it works :-)

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    Default Re: Importing mail etc from 11.4 to 12.3 and maybe an alternative

    On 2013-07-14 15:36, wolfi323 wrote:
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    > John_82;2571781 Wrote:


    >> Afraid I was asked not to discuss why the address book accesses should
    >> be pass word protected because it would worry people too much, probably
    >> with no need


    > Why should your addresses be encrypted? If your that paranoid, use an
    > encrypted filesystem.


    Encryption is not the same as password protection. Me, I would like that
    not any program can obtain the list of contacts, I prefer to allow it or
    not. An encrypted filesystem would be no help at all, because if the
    user is active, the filesystem is opened.

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    I'm glad Carlos reads my posts re the address book. I explained why I turn desktop search OFF and etc. I do know what I am talking about as well. Most software engineers do in this particular area. It might be possible to use google to get some idea what the term wrapper means in software terms. I did mention that KDE is a wrapper written in C++ and as far as I know always has been. Not sure what would be the correct description now. Some mention bloatware but that's a sign that they don't understand the C++ rational or the problems.

    Not on topic really which is why I mentioned ENOUGH other wise I could write pages on this and other problems KDE has. I continue to use it as do others that are fully aware. I like KDE. Pity the kde mailing list is more or less dead because these sorts of area would receive far more open discussion. Also a pity that I am not a PC software man otherwise I would be glad to help out. Speed and hows and why's is one of my specialities.

    Anyway as to which client I'm still unsure so at the moment 75% give kdepim3 a go and 25% leave 12.3 as it is and use it. Using IMAP because all email apps are buggy seems a bit defeatist. It does seem that all of the usual candidates do have long outstanding bugs.

    This forum has just started behaving strangely after I log in. Fine before I do but takes a couple of mins to load a page afterwards. This prevents me asking why in another thread. Unfortunately my netbook still runs windoze. Must see if the same happens on that. The problem is element loads - say 14 are on the way it hangs at 13. Same with the next lot etc. No problems at all yesterday.

    John
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    Default Re: Importing mail etc from 11.4 to 12.3 and maybe an alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On 2013-07-13 20:46, John 82 wrote:
    Thunderbird is very good, although heavy.
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    Thunderbird, if used, can be moved from system to system and even be moved from computer to computer with different OSs by copying the profile and renaming it to the default email profile set up in Thunderbird on first start. Sometime ago it allowed more than one profile 'profile manager',but I do not know if that still exists.
    Regards
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    Default Re: Importing mail etc from 11.4 to 12.3 and maybe an alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    Encryption is not the same as password protection. Me, I would like that
    not any program can obtain the list of contacts, I prefer to allow it or
    not. An encrypted filesystem would be no help at all, because if the
    user is active, the filesystem is opened.
    Right, but password protection doesn't really make sense without encryption.
    And there are programs to encrypt single directories, so you would have to enter a password first to decrypt it (e.g. Truecrypt).

    Also Akonadi does contain resources to store the addressbook on groupware servers (DAV, Open Xchange and Kolab) or Google Contacts. Those would be protected by a password as well then I guess. Don't know of the addressbook features of all the other clients though.


    But well, as I said, I don't see a real need for password protecting the addressbook.

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    The problem is that you have to setup an imap
    server, which is a bit of a hassle.
    Not necessarily. If your email provider supports IMAP (as they do in my case) you just setup an IMAP account (instead of POP3) in your EMail client and can copy back all your mail there and access it from anywhere then, even via both POP3 and IMAP.

    Quote Originally Posted by John_82 View Post
    I did mention that KDE is a wrapper written in C++ and as far as I know always has been. Not sure what would be the correct description now. Some mention bloatware but that's a sign that they don't understand the C++ rational or the problems.
    And KDE is no wrapper, what do you mean with that?. A wrapper is something that just calls some other thing with a different interface.

    And bloat doesn't have anything to do with C++, but with good/bad or efficient/inefficient programming.
    Of course the size and resource usage of something is also dependent on the feature set.
    Just because it is bigger and takes more RAM f.e. doesn't mean it's bloated.
    Or would you call LXDE bloated just because it is bigger than twm for instance?


    Not on topic really which is why I mentioned ENOUGH other wise I could write pages on this and other problems KDE has. I continue to use it as do others that are fully aware. I like KDE. Pity the kde mailing list is more or less dead because these sorts of area would receive far more open discussion. Also a pity that I am not a PC software man otherwise I would be glad to help out. Speed and hows and why's is one of my specialities.
    Do you mean the opensuse-KDE mailinglist? No that's not dead.
    But if you experience problems with KDE you should report them at http://bugzilla.novell.org/ (same username/password as here) or http://bugs.kde.org/.
    Or ask here or in the KDE forums: http://forums.kde.org

    Oh, and btw. if you want to you can even stilll use the whole KDE3 on openSUSE 12.3. It is still included.
    Just install the KDE3 pattern and select KDE3 on the login screen. (Press on the "gear" symbol for that)

    Anyway as to which client I'm still unsure so at the moment 75% give kdepim3 a go and 25% leave 12.3 as it is and use it. Using IMAP because all email apps are buggy seems a bit defeatist. It does seem that all of the usual candidates do have long outstanding bugs.
    As said above, you don't necessarily have to setup an IMAP server for that.
    Just access your mail via IMAP if your provider supports it. Some (like GMX) only do with a premium account though, but that would depend on your provider.

    And to repeat: I'm quite satisfied and happy with KMail2, although there still are a few glitches now and then. But no bug has ever prevented me to using it...
    And it is still being maintained, bugs are fixed all the time, and it gets new features...

    This forum has just started behaving strangely after I log in. Fine before I do but takes a couple of mins to load a page afterwards. This prevents me asking why in another thread. Unfortunately my netbook still runs windoze. Must see if the same happens on that. The problem is element loads - say 14 are on the way it hangs at 13. Same with the next lot etc. No problems at all yesterday.
    Yeah, I also had problems.
    That's why I'm answering only now.
    Maybe there has been a server problem?

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    Default Re: Importing mail etc from 11.4 to 12.3 and maybe an alternative

    On 2013-07-14 20:46, eionmac wrote:
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    > robin_listas;2571704 Wrote:
    >> On 2013-07-13 20:46, John 82 wrote:
    >> Thunderbird is very good, although heavy.



    > Thunderbird, if used, can be moved from system to system and even be
    > moved from computer to computer with different OSs by copying the
    > profile and renaming it to the default email profile set up in
    > Thunderbird on first start. Sometime ago it allowed more than one
    > profile 'profile manager',but I do not know if that still exists.


    You can have several profiles, and you can copy whole profile
    directories from one computer to another. The trick is editing the
    "~/.thunderbird/profiles.ini" file to add a section for the new one.

    It is even possible to have a profile in Windows and use it in Linux,
    with symlinks.

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    Default Re: Importing mail etc from 11.4 to 12.3 and maybe an alternative

    On 2013-07-14 22:56, wolfi323 wrote:
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    > robin_listas;2571838 Wrote:
    >>
    >> Encryption is not the same as password protection. Me, I would like that
    >> not any program can obtain the list of contacts, I prefer to allow it or
    >> not. An encrypted filesystem would be no help at all, because if the
    >> user is active, the filesystem is opened.
    >>

    > Right, but password protection doesn't really make sense without encryption.


    Ok, right.

    Encryption is needed for the files where the data is stored, and a
    password (or some kind of access protection) is needed to control access
    to services giving information - in this case, addresses.

    > But well, as I said, I don't see a real need for password protecting
    > the addressbook.


    Yes there is, as a protection for the future. Access to sensitive
    information, and addresses are sensitive, must be controlled. Only
    authorized software should be granted access to the list of addresses
    (and many other things, of course).

    In Windows, there is malware that gets in (via email, for instance), and
    starts sending email to the entire list of addresses in your book,
    because it has access to it.

    We don't have that malware, but it is possible that it is created some
    day, and it will have free access.

    That's one reason I can think of.



    > robin_listas;2571836 Wrote:
    >> The problem is that you have to setup an imap
    >> server, which is a bit of a hassle.
    >>

    > Not necessarily. If your email provider supports IMAP (as they do in my
    > case) you just setup an IMAP account (instead of POP3) in your EMail
    > client and can copy back all your mail there and access it from anywhere
    > then, even via both POP3 and IMAP.


    Out of the question.

    1) My mail folders occupy 10 GiB, and my internet link bandwidth is 1
    Mbit/s downstream, 1/3 upstream. Sometimes I have to use a mobile
    connection, faster, but limited to 500MB/month. A text search would take
    days!

    2) My ISP limits imap storage to 100 MB, maybe 1000 MB on the master
    account.

    3) I want full control of my email storage for privacy and security reasons.

    4) Store it on gmail? No way, I'd have it scanned by the NSA, with no
    legal protection because I'm not a USA citizen.


    > Yeah, I also had problems.
    > That's why I'm answering only now.
    > Maybe there has been a server problem?


    I have seen a mail about problems in bugzilla, dunno if related.

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    Carlos E. R.
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