Hi.
On Ubuntu there were some updates that even being there they weren’t recommended to install, because some of them may conflict with other software (for being new). While on openSUSE, there are “Needed patches” and “All patches” I’d like to know if installing all of them may cause conflicts. This may sound like a noob question but tell me your experiences with all patches.
On 2013-05-06 23:36, amarildojr wrote:
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> Hi.
>
> On Ubuntu there were some updates that even being there they weren’t
> recommended to install, because some of them may conflict with other
> software (for being new). While on openSUSE, there are “Needed patches”
> and “All patches” I’d like to know if installing all of them may cause
> conflicts. This may sound like a noob question but tell me your
> experiences with all patches.
I assume you are using YOU, aka YaST Online Update. In this situation,
all updates (patches) are considered safe. Some are necessary, some
optional.
Notice that in openSUSE parlance “patches” are not the same as
“updates”. Currently patches applied by YOU come only from the update
repository, which is one of the official repositories, and very
carefully maintained.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
Thanks Carlos! I feel a lot better now 
Just tried installing all (All in this list -> install). Yast2 closes itself.
Any help?
On 2013-05-07 01:16, amarildojr wrote:
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> Just tried installing all (All in this list -> install). Yast2 closes
> itself.
I’m not sure I understand what you did… with YOU, you only need to
press “OK”.
Let me try … oh, my! 
No, don’t do that. Just use the “needed patches” and “accept”. The
patches that are not selected for installation are that way because you
do not have those packages installed, so don’t install “all patches”.
I thought that what you had seen was a different category that sometimes
appears in the list.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
I’m just going by your video.
It looks to me as if needed patches are the patches to software that you have installed.
When you select “all” it is showing the patch that exist, even if you have not installed the software that is being patched. However, only the ones where you have the software installed are showing up as checked.
I’m not sure if it makes sense to check a patch for something not installed. If that works, then the software would have to be installed and then patched. But I suppose it makes sense to show the list. There might be a package that you want, but you don’t want it until a known problem is fixed. This would give you some information about such packages.
The above is partly guessing.
I tested it again by clicking at only one (unmarked) update and it also happens. I’ll do a fresh install and update everything from there.
On 2013-05-07 03:46, amarildojr wrote:
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> I tested it again by clicking at only one (unmarked) update and it also
> happens. I’ll do a fresh install and update everything from there.
You only need to use everything at the defaults, touch nothing!
Just leave the selection filter as “needed patches” and accept.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
So, before they were safe and now I can’t install them? 
On 2013-05-07 04:36, amarildojr wrote:
> So, before they were safe and now I can’t install them? 
I’m sorry, but I misunderstood what you were talking about initially, I
thought it was some other display that happens sometimes.
I had to fire YOU and look for myself to realize what you were really
talking about. I have to apologize for not seeing it before and giving
bad advice.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
It’s OK, Carlos =)
I don’t think it’s a bad advice, I’d tell people to download them as well but for some reason it can’t be done. I could download all of them in the past but it’s not possible anymore, specially before I noticed something strange happened: (and this is happening for less than a week)
After a fresh install, a message says “You have X updates”, you go to “Apper - Update” and after clicking INSTALL a message says you need to restart the computer. After restart, the same happens again and again.
So this is not a bad advice coming from you, it should just be a bug on 12.3 =)
I’ll do a fresh install and try to apply all updates there, I’ll keep you posted.
Funny thing, on XFCE no patches available SUSE Paste
I’m sorry for all these questions, but why are there “All patches” on KDE?
incremental updates to kde 4.10> are being pushed via updates. that could be something to do with it.
I just tried it as well and Yast didn’t crash here when I select “All in this list”->“Install”, although it does take quite some time to calculate… (and nothing is installed as result)
But as has been mentioned before, you don’t need to do that. New patches for stuff you have installed are selected automatically when you enter YaST->Online Update. And the “Needed Patches” selection shows all patches for your installed packages that you haven’t applied yet.
Yes it’s a bug. It shows this message before it installs the updates that require the reboot.
Just ignore the message and let it install the updates…
As I’m new to openSUSE all I can tell is: don’t install them (at least on 12.3). I did a fresh install and selected to install all patches there. No problem on installation, but the system failed to restart, twice. Not to mention they’re here again, so I’ll just stick with the needed ones.
I just did an update using Yast as has been my choice of methods. I noticed that there were only two patches shown in the Summary window, both of them in the Security catagory… Before doing the update, I looked in the pulldown menu and saw, under the Unneeded choice, a bunch of patches listed. As I looked, I saw that they were patches that had already been applied to my system and were therefore NOT needed. In fact, the check boxes in the window show only a plain black check mark indicating the patch is already installed. The patches to be installed will have a small green check mark with two little dots indicating they are to be installed as an update. As a pretty solid rule, you can always accept the default choices made by Yast as being what your system needs.
Regarding the message from robin_listas, I believe what he was speaking about was that the Summary window occasionally lists some patches as Recommended instead of, or in addition to, Security. You can install these or not, but as I said, Yast usually knows best.
Bart
On 2013-05-11 03:26, montana suse user wrote:
> Regarding the message from robin_listas, I believe what he was speaking
> about was that the Summary window occasionally lists some patches as
> Recommended instead of, or in addition to, Security. You can install
> these or not, but as I said, Yast usually knows best.
Yes, or something I got today when updating 11.4 Evergreen after two
weeks or more of not checking. In the list of patches on the left, there
were a bunch of updates under the heading “security”, and several lines
below, there was another heading as “recommended” with more packages.
I’m unsure of the exact headings, I did not make a note of it.
I mean that in the left panel list of patches there can be several
sections, I thought that was what amarildojr was seeing.
On some occasions, there is an update to yast or zypper libraries, and
more updates. The zypper patches are selected already, the rest are
unmarked. You run that update, yast (YOU) restarts automatically, and
the second part of the list is now ticked.
Typically, YOU (Yast Online Update) knows what to do safely.
There are exceptions - for example, if you have upgraded KDE from the
extra repos, you can get conflicts with some patches that get proposed
later. By default, patches have preference, but in this case it is wrong.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)