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    As you may have noticed the 4.10.2 update of KDE is out in the repos. If you install them you will notice two bugs.
    1) kdm theme: if you have the kdm theme option activated and used the opensuse one, it will be gone after the update. You will have to choose another kdm theme in system settings of KDE (you need the root password to do so). Unlike before where the kdm-theme setting did not work in KDE, now at least it does, so you easily get to restore your themed KDM.

    2) desktop changer applet: confusingly the desktop changer applet of the sidebar is apparently gone. It isn't only the settings are gone. So probably you will not see the desktop choice any more. If you like me are still using in parallel to activities the change desktop feature, a way to get them back is to place the "change desktop plasmoid" on the desktop, then to right click and go in settings. Choose the numbers of desktops and the numbers of lines. Apply and the desktops will be back also on the sidebar. You can now eliminate the plasmoid on the desktop and everything is like before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stakanov View Post
    As you may have noticed the 4.10.2 update of KDE is out in the repos.
    Well, at the moment it's only available for 12.2 64bit, the rest is still building...

    Regarding the desktop changer applet:
    The applet is hidden if you only have 1 virtual desktop. If I am not mistaken, this already was the case in 4.9.
    In 4.10 and 4.10.1 it only got blank, but the hiding was reimplemented for 4.10.2.

    You can also change the number of virtual desktops in Configure Desktop (aka systemsettings)->Workspace Behavior->Virtual Desktops.
    If you increase it there, the applet should appear again automatically...

    But AFAIK the default number of desktops on openSUSE is 2 anyway, so most people should not notice that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfi323 View Post
    Well, at the moment it's only available for 12.2 64bit, the rest is still building...
    Looks like it's available now for 12.2 x86_64 and i586. Any idea when it will be available for 12.3? Interesting that it's available on 12.2 before 12.3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfi323 View Post
    Well, at the moment it's only available for 12.2 64bit, the rest is still building...Regarding the desktop changer applet:The applet is hidden if you only have 1 virtual desktop. If I am not mistaken, this already was the case in 4.9.In 4.10 and 4.10.1 it only got blank, but the hiding was reimplemented for 4.10.2.You can also change the number of virtual desktops in Configure Desktop (aka systemsettings)->Workspace Behavior->Virtual Desktops.If you increase it there, the applet should appear again automatically...But AFAIK the default number of desktops on openSUSE is 2 anyway, so most people should not notice that.
    Yes you can change the system settings, it is a bit hidden but I did find it too. The fact is that if you have the applet running with more than one desktop set, it is reset to 1 and you simply do not see the applet any more. Maybe that is a "diplomatic hint" to finally use activities, but to be honest I still do not see any big advantage in using them. If you can tell me one..... In the moment AFAIK the two are simply two ways to do the very same thing.

    On the fact of default setting: the default settings are the first thing that I change to adapt to my own preferences. But maybe other users have no preferences but accept always default...but why we do still all these possibilities of personalisation, given that logic we should cement it all like gnome did.... ;-)

    KDM at least with me did not hold in memory the change of theme. At the end I found out that the only way to do this is: just make sure you change it via Yast - edit sysconfig. That is actually a very interesting thing: I would like to know what this version fixes. It appears that all bugs I am aware of are still proudly there:

    • kwin crashes at logout in two user set-up,
    • kmail has the underlining funktion of the corrector broken (I think since 4.7),
    • the mails sometimes are not readable or do not open (I have to recheck this),
    • the preferences for encryption are not retained (since a long long time).
    • the icon of network manager does not indicate correctly the status of the vpn (that is a new feature),
    • kactivity manager crashes too, randomly, as before.
    • The eYaSP does still not switch user.


    So I will be happy if somebody tells me what actually was ***fixed***. I am sure there where fixes, no? Or are there new features? And that is not a polemic but an honest question. Oh, one fix I did find. The birthdaylist plasmoid now does recall the format and size settings after a reboot. Well, a progress. It is nice and usable now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stakanov View Post
    So I will be happy if somebody tells me what actually was ***fixed***. I am sure there where fixes, no? Or are there new features? And that is not a polemic but an honest question.
    https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?que...list_id=575978

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    Oh, thanks, I did find it lately when I went on KDE.org.

    P.S. And I thought I am having "problems" with the bugs I encounter: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316086 .... sure if you read this. Happy not to have encountered this one. And happy to know it has been fixed.
    Serious question two:
    is it better to report KDE bugs generally to KDE instead to bugzilla.novell? What is better (more efficient for the project)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rahim123 View Post
    Looks like it's available now for 12.2 x86_64 and i586. Any idea when it will be available for 12.3? Interesting that it's available on 12.2 before 12.3.
    You can check the status here (on the right side):
    https://build.opensuse.org/project/s...ARelease%3A410

    Well, AFAIUI 12.2 still has a higher priority on the build service because the packages have been downloaded more often. But that will change over time...

    Quote Originally Posted by stakanov
    The fact is that if you have the applet running with more than one desktop set, it is reset to 1 and you simply do not see the applet any more.
    That would be a bug then...
    I haven't tried it myself yet, as I am on 12.3.
    But I'm already desperately waiting for a few of those bugfixes...

    Maybe that is a "diplomatic hint" to finally use activities, but to be honest I still do not see any big advantage in using them. If you can tell me one..... In the moment AFAIK the two are simply two ways to do the very same thing.
    I don't really use activities myself.
    But they are not a replacement for virtual desktops, they are a complement. The main difference is that you can associate files, programs and plasmoids with activities and they then only show in these activities so you can quickly switch between them. (Well, I guess there's a better explanation somewhere at kde.org... )

    On the fact of default setting: the default settings are the first thing that I change to adapt to my own preferences. But maybe other users have no preferences but accept always default...but why we do still all these possibilities of personalisation, given that logic we should cement it all like gnome did.... ;-)
    I didn't want to imply that users shouldn't change the defaults. I also like to have a lot of configuration options to play with. That's why we use KDE I guess.
    What I wanted to say is, I think most users will have more than 1 desktop (although that's KDE's default), so they won't have the desktop changer disappear. (unless there is a bug, of course )

    is it better to report KDE bugs generally to KDE instead to bugzilla.novell? What is better (more efficient for the project)?
    General KDE bugs should be reported at bugs.kde.org, bugs caused by openSUSE customizations should be reported at bugzilla.novell.com. If you're not sure, just pick one. They will tell you if you're on the wrong one...

    At the end I found out that the only way to do this is: just make sure you change it via Yast - edit sysconfig.
    It behaves like that since years... This is a deliberate change by openSUSE.
    There's also a bug report about that:
    https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=267903

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfi323 View Post
    You can check the status here (on the right side):
    https://build.opensuse.org/project/s...ARelease%3A410

    Well, AFAIUI 12.2 still has a higher priority on the build service because the packages have been downloaded more often. But that will change over time...
    Cool, thanks, didn't know about that status page. Is the scheduled build time listed for the ones that say "scheduled"?

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    No.
    "scheduled" just means, the package is ready to be built (i.e. there are no unresolved dependencies for example).
    It depends on OBS's workload...

    I don't know all the criterias after which the scheduler picks the next package to build, but one is how "popular" the repository is. (more downloads => higher priority)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfi323 View Post
    You can check the status here (on the right side):https://build.opensuse.org/project/s...ARelease%3A410 ***snip.....snap....*** It behaves like that since years... This is a deliberate change by openSUSE.There's also a bug report about that:https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=267903 ***...and snap
    Oh, thanks for that link about the KDM, that is quite amazing. I will follow that up because I am curious particularly to know why it was chosen that way. BTW maybe it is similar to the "bug" that does not allow out of the box sand-boxing in Chromium (with secure local file settings). One says: well that is unsafe then. But the argument about that one is, that they want to hold the numbers of applications requiring SUID low to hold the attack surface small. Now one argues that this makes the surface bigger.....but discovers bugs in Chromium that allow to get out of the sandbox and freely play .... so at the end both arguments are ... conclusive. So maybe this is an issue like it, but sometimes (as with "eating carrots is good for your night sight" there are some April fools around for 40 years... and nobody notices any more. So it will be nice to follow this one. And thank you for the status page. Very interesting in deed. Kudos!
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