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    Default KDE - Apper vs. YaST

    Hi all,

    I'm new to openSUSE and have a question regarding software installation. Apper and the Software manager/online update in YaST seem like two means to the same end. Is one option better to use than the other or, in debian terms (where I'm from), is this more like a software manager vs. synaptic type of thing?

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    nak

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    Default Re: KDE - Apper vs. YaST

    Behind the scenes, Apper and Yast both use "zypper". So it's a difference of GUI front end.

    Many folk are unhappy with Apper, which seems to behave weirdly at times. However, it does (I think) provide a notifier that shows up in the tray when there are updates.

    If you are using software from the packman repos, then that will show up in Apper, but won't be picked up by Yast online update, though there are ways of still getting to it with Yast.

    The big issue with Apper, is that it occasionally decides to refresh its database very slowly, and it locks Yast out for the duration.
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    Default Re: KDE - Apper vs. YaST

    Quote Originally Posted by 0xnak View Post
    Hi all,

    I'm new to openSUSE and have a question regarding software installation. Apper and the Software manager/online update in YaST seem like two means to the same end. Is one option better to use than the other or, in debian terms (where I'm from), is this more like a software manager vs. synaptic type of thing?
    Apper has a couple of advantages: It provides a notifier of new updates from the system tray, a couple of clicks and you can install them without needing to enter the root password. Be awrare that it will include updates from all enabled repos. You can of course have it just as a desktop notifier and use one of the following:

    YaST Online Update only installs updates/patches from the distributions Update repo(s) and no additional repos.

    YaST provides the most information about each package in one single Package Manager. If you want to learn about packages and their dependencies across repos, on the job, use it!

    I use all of them, and sometimes even zypper at the commandline.

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    Default Re: KDE - Apper vs. YaST

    As so many things in the Linux world, there is more then one product doing (more or less) the same thing.

    YaST is the system management tool of openSUSE and one of it's areas is of course Software Management. YaST is for many people an important reason to use openSUSE. And when you use openSUSE because of YaST, why shouldn't you use YaST? And when you use YaST, why shouldn't you use it for Software management?

    Apper is working with PackageKit. And PakageKit is something that tries to hide underlying Softwarte Management of different Linux flavors from the end-user. It is a GUI wrapper around the sytem magement library. Like YaST Software Management is a GUI wrapper and like zypper is a CLI wrapper for the same.

    Apper is in so far special that the applet checks in regular intervals if there are newer version of a package in a repository. And it informs an end-user using he GUI of that. Years ago there was something similar that worked with YaST.


    Hope this helps a little in understanding. After all it is you that should decide what to use.

    For myself, I haven't even installed PackageKit (nor Apper), but I am an old-fashioned grumbler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nrickert View Post
    Many folk are unhappy with Apper, which seems to behave weirdly at times.
    How many? Weirdly for you! So you don't use it as said at the release of 12.2, now on the verge of 12.3 and I guess you still don't use it, but that qualifies you to continue with that line?

    I can honestly say, having installed just about every update with Apper on 12.2 since its release, there was no weird behaviour after the initial fixes. So far so good on 12.3 RC's.

    Oh yes, and the big issue with YaST is that it blocks Apper from notification, but either way the solution is to quit and wait for the other to complete, i.e. patience required.

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    On 03/13/2013 02:06 PM, 0xnak wrote:
    > is this more like a software
    > manager vs. synaptic type of thing?


    never having had the pleasure of running Debian i can't answer that
    way, but for openSUSE i prefer to disable apper (try a right click on
    the icon and . . .)

    and, then i use YaST Online Update occasionally to install security
    patches and the big bug fixes...i can't define occasionally here,
    some say weekly, i always do it daily...

    some people leave apper functioning but never (EVER!) give it
    permission to actually install anything--that way you have a program
    watching to see if there are patches to install and if there are
    packages then it waves the Let-me-install-stuff flag... (personally i
    just prefer it OFF--actually i uninstall apper with YaST Software
    Manager)

    or, with apper off you can install the patches with "zypper patch" at
    the command line of a root powered terminal (see man zypper)..

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    I am brand new to openSUSE, but have spent lots of time on Debian, so I am most comfortable right now using zypper on the Konsole to update, and yast -software management module to add and remove software. I have deleted the packagekit and apper packages entirely from 12.3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dd View Post

    some people leave apper functioning but never (EVER!) give it
    permission to actually install anything--that way you have a program
    watching to see if there are patches to install and if there are
    packages then it waves the Let-me-install-stuff flag... (personally i
    just prefer it OFF
    That's just a load of old opinionated rubbish, and FUD spreading as always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0xnak View Post
    Hi all,

    is this more like a software manager vs. synaptic type of thing?
    Apper is a update notifier. YaST is a package management tool.+ntp config manger+boot manager+network settings manager +mail server settings etc ...too long a list
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    On 03/13/2013 05:56 PM, consused wrote:
    > That's just a load of old opinionated rubbish, and FUD spreading as
    > always.


    i clearly used words like "personally" and "i just prefer" so, what
    is your problem??

    just because you don't like my opinion you wanna call it rubbish and
    FUD! booooohoo

    there are LOTs of folks with the same opinionated rubbish and FUD
    when it comes to apper..

    it is not for me--in my opinion it is still rubbish and it is easier
    to avoid than to not!

    and anytime someone asks i will give my opinion on that, which is as
    valid as your opinion!

    so you give your opinion and i will NOT attack it, and ask from you
    the same courtesy.

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