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    Default Novell's association with openSUSE

    Hey guys,

    I was wondering if there was an update about Novell's partnership with Microsoft. Is there still one? Do you think that affects the marketing value of openSUSE and cause people to look somewhere else? Should Novell's and Microsoft's partnership affect anyone looking for a Free (As in freedom, since distro's like Ubuntu ship with non-free software) Linux OS? I heard once that you never should use a distro that is backed by a large company because they might impact what happens with the distro. (Like what is currently happening with Ubuntu)

    What are your thoughts?

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    Novell was absorbed into Attachmate, so I'm not sure what is left of the agreement.

    In my opinion, the agreement has no importance to open source, and has been blown way out of proportion by a few ideologs. Novell could not compromise the GPL, no matter what it did. For it did not control the GPL.

    Opensuse picked up some unwarranted criticism over that. I doubt that it has had much effect on the number of people who adopt opensuse.

    But that's just my opinion.
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    On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 02:46:02 +0000, Ham Radio wrote:

    > I was wondering if there was an update about Novell's partnership with
    > Microsoft. Is there still one?


    The agreement between SUSE and Microsoft is still in place, IIRC there
    was a press release saying it had been renewed.

    SUSE is now separate from Novell, both operate as peer companies under
    The Attachmate Group.

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    Default Re: Novell's association with openSUSE

    I heard once that you never should use a distro that is backed by a large company because they might impact what happens with the distro. (Like what is currently happening with Ubuntu)
    “openSUSE is the distro of the community, by the community, for the community” or "openSUSE is Linux for open Minds"
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    On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 05:11:18 +0000, Jim Henderson wrote:

    > On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 02:46:02 +0000, Ham Radio wrote:
    >
    >> I was wondering if there was an update about Novell's partnership with
    >> Microsoft. Is there still one?

    >
    > The agreement between SUSE and Microsoft is still in place, IIRC there
    > was a press release saying it had been renewed.
    >
    > SUSE is now separate from Novell, both operate as peer companies under
    > The Attachmate Group.


    Also, openSUSE is the upstream project for SUSE Linux Enterprise. SUSE
    is a major sponsor of openSUSE, but holding the agreement against the
    openSUSE project is similar holding something Mint (or Ubuntu) does
    against Debian (Mint is a derivative of Ubuntu, which is a derivative of
    Debian).

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    > What are your thoughts?

    beating a dead horse is an unproductive adventure.

    otoh: if because of their sponsors you do not like Ubuntu or openSUSE
    there are many others to choose from..

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    On 2013-03-08 03:46, Ham Radio wrote:
    > Should
    > Novell's and Microsoft's partnership affect anyone looking for a Free
    > (As in freedom, since distro's like Ubuntu ship with non-free software)
    > Linux OS?


    openSUSE can not ship multimedia software encumbered by patents or
    copyrights, regardless of the existence of that agreement - if that is
    what you are thinking about re free software.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vazhavandan View Post
    “openSUSE is the distro of the community, by the community, for the community” or "openSUSE is Linux for open Minds"
    I agree with these very fine words!

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    There was probably an original "hidden agenda" with the agreement but after having been forced to maintain the patents (afaik) that novell held as GPL, there is not much sense to discuss this. Besides, Microsoft makes a huge money with distributing and servicing Linux. So a working distribution that is in a certain way "beta-testing" for their consumers will come handy. For sure the difficult situation of the desktop KDE (from 4.0 to 4.5 at least) will have made loose more users to openSUSE I guess, than the agreement did ever.
    What may be true is that some features may be "delayed" or not implemented to avoid cannibalism on the commercial version. Still, the main part of income source is service, not so much the software. This is where free software comes not any more as "for free" and becomes a lucrative business.

    At the end of the day, if you want to worry about something, you should worry about the absurdity of the situation with UEFI (restricted boot vs. secure boot).
    And yes, it is again about MS.
    Just "clicking away" security warnings about a change in repo signature ? Not able to control?
    Then please vote for
    https://features.opensuse.org/312047
    openSUSE should have an efficient web of trust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PiElle View Post
    I agree with these very fine words!
    Glad you liked it.
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