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    Default Re: Playing an album entirely with amarok or banshee

    On 2013-02-24 20:37, josephkk wrote:
    > Sounds like it is time to modify your playlist program to write a
    > different playlist for you.


    I don't use playlists on the computer, I delete them.

    I expect amarok, or banshee, or whatever, to see my entire collection
    and allow me choosing what I want to listen to. They have a function to
    scan the tree, and they take a long time about it. Then they display the
    collection. They do not need playlist files.

    The problem with both these programs is telling them to sort by album.
    With amarok I got it. With banshee I have not.


    Yes, I could also do a program to create those playlists, one per album,
    and store them in a single directory. But I don't think I will :-)

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    Default Re: Playing an album entirely with amarok or banshee

    On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:53:07 GMT, "Carlos E. R."
    <robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

    >On 2013-02-24 20:33, josephkk wrote:
    >> Even one album at a time doesn't cut it for hundreds of albums.

    >
    >You can do hundred of albums at a time if you select them all and select
    >a common tag to change on all of them (which is not normally the case).
    >It is pretty slow, I tried. Another tool is eyeD3, which is CLI only and
    >thus scriptable.


    One thing i found is that kid3 has a pretty good guesser (based on
    directory and filename). It is fast enough that if i could script it and
    let it go it would be done in an hour. I have related issue with
    gnormalize but it is quite a bit slower and i think it should be run
    second. If it mangles the tags the scripted core of kid3 gets run again.

    ?-)

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    On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 00:03:06 GMT, "Carlos E. R."
    <robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

    >On 2013-02-24 20:37, josephkk wrote:
    >> Sounds like it is time to modify your playlist program to write a
    >> different playlist for you.

    >
    >I don't use playlists on the computer, I delete them.
    >
    >I expect amarok, or banshee, or whatever, to see my entire collection
    >and allow me choosing what I want to listen to. They have a function to
    >scan the tree, and they take a long time about it. Then they display the
    >collection. They do not need playlist files.
    >
    >The problem with both these programs is telling them to sort by album.
    >With amarok I got it. With banshee I have not.
    >
    >
    >Yes, I could also do a program to create those playlists, one per album,
    >and store them in a single directory. But I don't think I will :-)


    As you see fit.

    ?-)

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    Default Re: Playing an album entirely with amarok or banshee

    On 2013-03-04 04:56, josephkk wrote:
    > On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:53:07 GMT, "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
    >
    > One thing i found is that kid3 has a pretty good guesser (based on
    > directory and filename).


    Directory and filename, in my case, are adapted for vfat use, so the tag
    data is more reliable. For example, a colon ":" would be missing in the
    filename.

    Typically you do otherwise: recreate the filenames based on the tag data.

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    Default Re: Playing an album entirely with amarok or banshee

    On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 13:14:11 GMT, "Carlos E. R."
    <robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

    >On 2013-03-04 04:56, josephkk wrote:
    >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:53:07 GMT, "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
    >>
    >> One thing i found is that kid3 has a pretty good guesser (based on
    >> directory and filename).

    >
    >Directory and filename, in my case, are adapted for vfat use, so the tag
    >data is more reliable. For example, a colon ":" would be missing in the
    >filename.
    >
    >Typically you do otherwise: recreate the filenames based on the tag data.


    Well something on my system has clobbered the tags but the filesystem is
    clean, and directories and filenames are correct. I generally rip DAO
    with k3b. Of course if the tags are not right on the source disc that is
    a manufacturing problem.

    ?-)

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    Default Re: Playing an album entirely with amarok or banshee

    On 2013-03-10 05:27, josephkk wrote:
    > Well something on my system has clobbered the tags but the filesystem is
    > clean, and directories and filenames are correct. I generally rip DAO
    > with k3b. Of course if the tags are not right on the source disc that is
    > a manufacturing problem.


    There are no tags on "the source disk", ie, on the CDs where I rip them
    from. The tags are obtained from a CDDB database on internet (see
    explanation on wikipedia), or hand typped by me.

    There is software to re-query internet and redo the tags, I understand.

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    josephkk NNTP User

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    On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:24:15 GMT, "Carlos E. R."
    <robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

    >On 2013-03-10 05:27, josephkk wrote:
    >> Well something on my system has clobbered the tags but the filesystem is
    >> clean, and directories and filenames are correct. I generally rip DAO
    >> with k3b. Of course if the tags are not right on the source disc thatis
    >> a manufacturing problem.

    >
    >There are no tags on "the source disk", ie, on the CDs where I rip them
    >from. The tags are obtained from a CDDB database on internet (see
    >explanation on wikipedia), or hand typped by me.
    >
    >There is software to re-query internet and redo the tags, I understand.


    Oh. I thought that the tags were already in the files. Part of the cdda
    file type. I do notice that when nothing is found and i do have to type
    it in that usually comes out all right. But if CDDB provides them why are
    they coming up wrong on the fixed disk? They show up right in k3b.

    ?-)

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    Default Re: Playing an album entirely with amarok or banshee

    On 2013-03-16 05:42, josephkk wrote:
    > On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:24:15 GMT, "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
    >
    >> On 2013-03-10 05:27, josephkk wrote:
    >>> Well something on my system has clobbered the tags but the filesystem is
    >>> clean, and directories and filenames are correct. I generally rip DAO
    >>> with k3b. Of course if the tags are not right on the source disc that is
    >>> a manufacturing problem.

    >>
    >> There are no tags on "the source disk", ie, on the CDs where I rip them
    >> from. The tags are obtained from a CDDB database on internet (see
    >> explanation on wikipedia), or hand typped by me.
    >>
    >> There is software to re-query internet and redo the tags, I understand.

    >
    > Oh. I thought that the tags were already in the files. Part of the cdda
    > file type. I do notice that when nothing is found and i do have to type
    > it in that usually comes out all right. But if CDDB provides them why are
    > they coming up wrong on the fixed disk? They show up right in k3b.
    >
    > ?-)


    Maybe I was not clear enough. If you get an mp3 from somebody or
    download from internet, it will probably have the tags. ogg files also
    have tags. Dunno wavs or other formats.

    It is standard audio CDs you buy on shops which have no tags⁽¹⁾, so when
    you rip them yourself you have to add the tags somehow (manually or
    automatically).

    (1) There is a protocol to add some metadata to the audio CD. The
    wikipedia mentions this in the cddb article. I have not seen this in action.


    I have no idea why on disk metadata can go wrong (I do not use k3b for
    any of this). I have to edit some of the tags manually, they are not
    correct in the cddb database always. It is a collaborative database,
    sort of a wiki: not an organized effort by a body of people.


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    Default Re: Playing an album entirely with amarok or banshee

    CDDB is a mess now and then, but that's not CDDB's fault entirely. I have quite a number of imported CD's where the order of the songs, number of songs are not the same as on the CD's that are distributed here. Not to speak about "Collection" CD's with same US and EU titles, but containing completely different songs.

    FYI: FLAC can also be tagged.
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    Default Re: Playing an album entirely with amarok or banshee

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:23:06 GMT, "Carlos E. R."
    <robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

    >
    >> Oh. I thought that the tags were already in the files. Part of the cdda
    >> file type. I do notice that when nothing is found and i do have to type
    >> it in that usually comes out all right. But if CDDB provides them whyare
    >> they coming up wrong on the fixed disk? They show up right in k3b.
    >>
    >> ?-)

    >
    >Maybe I was not clear enough. If you get an mp3 from somebody or
    >download from internet, it will probably have the tags. ogg files also
    >have tags. Dunno wavs or other formats.
    >
    >It is standard audio CDs you buy on shops which have no tags??, so when
    >you rip them yourself you have to add the tags somehow (manually or
    >automatically).


    Only a few store bought CDs have this problem.
    >
    >(1) There is a protocol to add some metadata to the audio CD. The
    >wikipedia mentions this in the cddb article. I have not seen this in action.


    Not all that hard, capture the ISO image file from the CD, open it on
    loopback, edit the tags, write a new CD from the modified ISO image.
    >
    >
    >I have no idea why on disk metadata can go wrong (I do not use k3b for
    >any of this). I have to edit some of the tags manually, they are not
    >correct in the cddb database always. It is a collaborative database,
    >sort of a wiki: not an organized effort by a body of people.
    >

    Since i am mostly ripping CDs with k3b i expect them to be right. That is
    why i want to get to the sources to kid3 so i can set up batch processing.

    ?-)

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