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    Default Is it ok to remove packagekit?

    I do all my updating via zypper (on the command line) so I was thinking of removing packagekit, is this ok or will it cause issues?

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    Default Re: Is it ok to remove packagekit?

    The reviewer of 12.2 at Distrowatch (published Monday) Did just that, but IIRC found that losing apper was the only issue. Take a look at it before deciding.

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    Default Re: Is it ok to remove packagekit?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6tr6tr View Post
    I do all my updating via zypper (on the command line) so I was thinking of removing packagekit, is this ok or will it cause issues?
    IMHO not. I did not install Apper at the installation. Thus I guess PackageKit is sitting there doing nothing. At least I hope it does nothing, because when it does do something, it will block YaST > Software/zypper and those are not blocked.
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    All packagekit stuff is the first I remove after a fresh install. Only using zypper for package management and therefore apper/packagekit is annoying and total needless for me.
    zypp it...

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    Default Re: Is it ok to remove packagekit?

    Just finished a clean install of 12.2 using the net install version in an attempt to get only what I wanted. After the reboot, I attempted to use the Yast patch update and it flat out wouldn't start because it said PackageKit wouldn't let it. It got no response to the request to stop it. I wound up using the kill command against the PID. Yast then was able to get going on the patches. Removed PackageKit. After that, all updating of patches and software selections via Yast worked fine.

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    Default Re: Is it ok to remove packagekit?

    Apper & Packagekit are simply not needed in openSUSE.

    For the novice/unawares: Apper is just a frontend to PackageKit, and PackageKit is, itself, a frontend to ZYpp, the underlying package management engine used in openSUSE (for while now; read: 10 releases).

    If you are comfortable manually handling all the PM updating, then you are well served via the "zypper" command line interface to ZYpp or through the Yast SM module ... I find the pair very complementary for performing the overall task.

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    Default Re: Is it ok to remove packagekit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler_K View Post
    Apper & Packagekit are simply not needed in openSUSE...
    In your opinion... However,some users coming from other distros are familiar with having at least an update notifier on the desktop, and openSUSE now includes apper.

    The points you make have already been stated and discussed in another recent thread with a more appropriate title for that.

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    Default Re: Is it ok to remove packagekit?

    Quote Originally Posted by consused View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler K
    Apper & Packagekit are simply not needed in openSUSE
    In your opinion.
    No, its a statement of fact, which goes to answering the OP's original question: "I was thinking of removing packagekit, is this ok or will it cause issues?"

    However,some users coming from other distros are familiar with having at least an update notifier on the desktop, and openSUSE now includes apper.
    Yes, of course. And while I did not spell it out for anyone, I did make my opinion (which most certainly wasn't a non sequitur to the statement of fact) fairly clear and prefixed with an appropriate qualifier: "If you are comfortable manually handling all the PM updating, then blah blah blah <insert foam and spit emanating from my keyboard here> blah blah blah "

    The points you make have already been stated and discussed in another recent thread with a more appropriate title for that.
    I don't get it -- you raised some objection to my post seemingly from the mistaken believe that I've not addressed the requirements of users new to openSUSE, yet, upon providing some most basic of info for the newbie, you pooh pooh it as being old hat and having already been discussed somewhere else .... (a.k.a. speaking of non sequiturs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by consused View Post
    In your opinion... However,some users coming from other distros are familiar with having at least an update notifier on the desktop, and openSUSE now includes apper.
    If apper would be just an update notifier it were ok. But it locks zypp permanently and that is not good. I'm absolutely not familiar with apper/packagekit because I remove it immediately. So I'm not sure whether apper can all the things that can be done by zypper or yast. All instructions I've read are written for zypper or yast. So a newbie will get into trouble the first time he is using zypper or yast because of the lock from zypp by apper and he does not know what to do.

    Debians KDE desktop has also an update notifier. But he locks nothing, so you are just informed and can use the usual package management tools.
    zypp it...

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    Default Re: Is it ok to remove packagekit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler_K View Post
    Yes, of course.
    So apper is needed by some users, and I guess that is why the devs included it in openSUSE. Not only does the statement "simply not needed in openSUSE" sound like an opinion, it's wrong since it has a role in openSUSE to satisfy those who need/prefer it. Instead you could have addressed the question directly as to whether apper and packagekit could be safely removed, as the other posts did.

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