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    Default Freeze/lock-ups with new 12.2

    I am sandboxing 12.2 and have had a number of freeze/lockups, mouse still moves about, but nothing else responds, I have to crash reboot.... Or do I? Anyone know why this might happen? (I know I haven't given much info!) Any ideas why this might be happening, all hardware is the same as a reliable system which was running 11.4, except a different HDD, This install is 12.2 KDE, KDE upgraded to 4.9.1 with zypper.........

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    Default Re: Freeze/lock-ups with new 12.2

    Hard to speculate on what you've provided.

    Recommend for starters...

    Inspect your syslog for errors

    Code:
    $ tail -n 200 /var/log/messages
    If the incidents are happening intermittently,
    1. Note what apps are running at that time. Try to notice whether a specific app or combination of apps <may> be related.
    2. Install real-time monitoring apps. If your system has a fairly large amount of resources, then running realtime reporting apps which change as little as possible while reporting small graphs or text only) should not impact your performance.
    3. You can run something like top or htop continuously.

    I'm current running on my KDE desktop the following widgets
    Memory Status (immediately available)
    nVidia (downloaded from KDE)
    Drive I/O (requires finding, compiling from source)

    If you decide to install Drive I/O
    Drive I/O System Monitor Plasmoid KDE-Apps.org
    Skimpy build instructions are in the notes. the 4.6 source will work for all KDE 4.6 and later. If you can't figure out the instructions, I should be posting a better set of instructions soon (PM me if you can't wait or people can't find my instructions in a few days)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wakou View Post
    I am sandboxing 12.2 and have had a number of freeze/lockups, mouse still moves about, but nothing else responds, I have to crash reboot.... Or do I? Anyone know why this might happen? (I know I haven't given much info!) Any ideas why this might be happening, all hardware is the same as a reliable system which was running 11.4, except a different HDD, This install is 12.2 KDE, KDE upgraded to 4.9.1 with zypper.........
    I might suggest loading the nVIDIA proprietary video driver you can find here as most lockups are hardware related with video being one of the worst I think. If 11.4 is doing find, I might suggest a new video driver:

    Installing the nVIDIA Video Driver the Hard Way - Blogs - openSUSE Forums

    AND

    LNVHW - Load NVIDIA (driver the) Hard Way from runlevel 3 - Version 1.46 - Blogs - openSUSE Forums

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    Default Re: Freeze/lock-ups with new 12.2

    TY to you both, I am running 12.2 as provided, on my old set-up I used the nVidia drivers..... So maybe nouveau does not like my HW....
    Tsu2 I will have a climb through that log, running HTOP would not help, as the whole system AFAICS freezes apart from mouse, although last time I managed to drop to a console and kill bits of kde and got some function back and then logged out and back in... only really running FF, konversation, and mebbe an empty konsole when this happens, glad this is only a spare HDD and not my whole ' iLife!'

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    Default Re: Freeze/lock-ups with new 12.2

    Have you tried running the live kde cd? If this works without freezing then I would say that there is no compatibility issues with the Nouveau driver. This would lead to perhaps my next suggestion of doing a backup and installing afresh from the cd. It's much quicker in this release (or seems to be for me) and it may cur your issues. I am not a fan of upgrading from within the OS as imho it can cause strange unexpected issues.

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    Default Re: Freeze/lock-ups with new 12.2

    TY penguinclaw, I should have mentioned (phew Henk, the forum cop is not on duty!) that this is 100% fresh install from the live iso, no import of old home or ~/. files. I installed fresh to an empty HDD, then added KDE 4.9.1 repos and upped to 4.9.1

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    Default Re: Freeze/lock-ups with new 12.2

    @ tsu2
    As I thought this is mostly in greek to me (apologies to any Greek people watching, nothing personal!)
    If you don't mind I will paste this, seems that memory and 'backlight' are perhaps causing some issues?
    SUSE Paste

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    Default Re: Freeze/lock-ups with new 12.2

    Quote Originally Posted by jdmcdaniel3 View Post
    I might suggest loading the nVIDIA proprietary video driver,
    Actually I was forced to switch back to nouveau exactly because of lockups similar to described by @wakou. In extreme cases only power button would help. Symptoms are the following message in kernel log:
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    Sep 27 19:11:07 opensuse kernel: [13356.883971] NVRM: Xid (0000:01:00): 13, 0003 00000000 00008297 00000f10 44480000 00000040
    As well as messages similar to these in Xorg.log:

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    [   829.042] (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, 0×8000, 0x0000a4c8, 0x0000c408)
    [   829.042] [mi] Increasing EQ size to 512 to prevent dropped events.
    [   832.044] (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 6, 0×8000, 0x0000a4c8, 0x0000e348)
    [   839.044] (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, 0×8000, 0x0000a4c8, 0x0000e348)
    [   842.047] (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 6, 0×8000, 0x0000a4c8, 0x000002a8)
    [   849.047] (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, 0×8000, 0x0000a4c8, 0x000002a8)
    [   852.048] (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 6, 0×8000, 0x0000a4c8, 0x000062d8)
    It looks like nVidia driver stops processing further events.

    I do not care about pretty boot splash screen, so I am not affected by "login screen corrupted with nouveau" issue; but what is annoying, is very noisy fan with nouveau compared to nVidia drivers.

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    Default Re: Freeze/lock-ups with new 12.2

    By the sound of it, it is hopefully fixed in 304.51 drivers
    Fixed a bug that caused the X server to sometimes hang in response to input events.

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    That's a topic that interests me because I've experienced exactly the same symptoms before and was really hoping to see them gone with all new 12.2.

    I'm pretty sure this situation dates from a while back and isn't related only to opensuse. It must be isolated cases though because the topics about it just come and go from time to time.

    For me the crashes started with 12.1 when it was brand new(like a year ago). It was my first time trying linux so i didn't feel like I can do too much about it. Thankfully I decided to give 11.4 a shot and I've been using it since then without any problems.

    The things I've noticed or wondered about are:

    1.
    It should be nvidia related. I haven't seen any amd/intel users mention the same type of crashes. Nouveau worked totally fine for me all the time so it's something in the proprietary drivers.

    I personally own a fermi card(gtx 570). It's possible that older hardware might work without any issues.
    I feel like it would be helpful in tracking whether this is the case if you can mention what's the card you're using when sharing information.

    2.
    It looks like there is something happening only with newer kernels.
    11.4's one(2.6.37) is working fine for me with the same hardware setup(and proprietary drivers) I was seeing the crashes with in 12.1. And now it seems that with 12.2 (3.4 kernels) it's still crashing.

    Does anyone know if there was some significant change in xorg from 11.4 to 12.1 that might contribute to this? I've read that from 12.1 to 12.2 in fact there was a change, but the crashes persist.

    KDE should be fine because I've tried pretty much any major and minor release from 4.6 to 4.8.4 with opensuse 11.4 without any problems.

    3.
    When I was trying to get my installation of opensuse 12.1 fixed I tried many of the drivers that were available then - from the repo, newest ones from the nvidia site and even some older ones. Nothing worked for me. Some of the release notes pointed to "crash issues" been fixed, but it wasn't the case. Sadly I don't remember any of the versions I tested with but there have been many new releases since then so it shouldn't be relevant.

    With my current 11.4 installation I've been just upgrading to whatever driver is in the standard repo. They all worked fine.

    4.
    Right now I need my system to be stable so I can't really help track the issue down, but on the other hand I really want to see the problem solved.

    If someone is willing to do some tests and can invest the time I would suggest trying the newest nvidia driver available and then if needed grab some of the new kernels(3.5 or 3.6) and try with them.
    If there's still something wrong probably trying 2.6.37 kernel with opensuse 12.2 might solve it. Some useful results may come from trying kernels 3.4/3.5 on opensuse 11.4.

    The other solution, at least for me was to stick with nouveau. Does anyone know if there have been some nice improvements with "fermi" cards(and newer - kepler and stuff)?

    Lets get this thing fixed.

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