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    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On 2013-07-05 01:06, Paspie wrote:
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    > Just saw a few screenshots of Apper (not at the desktop currently),
    > looks pretty good from what I can see. So, can anyone fathom why it
    > isn't the only tool installed by default?


    Because it is a TERRIBLE tool. Many of us hate apper and remove it from
    our systems as soon as we can.
    That's exactly what I mean. Why do we have it when the stuff that ships with YAST is already adequate. Are you getting it? I have been using it and similar types of tools pretty much since my first foray into Linux-based OSes and found few issues. Complimentary apps such as Apper are a waste of time. If they don't work for everyone, don't install them by default. It's that simple.

    Anyway, I've kinda run dry of ammunition, I am just eager to break new mould rather than just evolution all the time.

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    Default Re: OpenSuse App Store/Market

    Quote Originally Posted by Paspie View Post
    That's exactly what I mean. Why do we have it when the stuff that ships with YAST is already adequate.
    And you still don't get it. It's not adequate for all users and all situations. YaST is an excellent tool for system administrators of multi-user systems, and for single-user machines where the user either enjoys spending time on system administration tasks, has many issues to solve, or just prefers it. However, YaST does not provide the general user with a desktop notifier for available package updates, the main reason why Apper arrived in KDE and openSUSE.

    Personally, I am very pleased to have both Apper and YaST available. I've used Apper (notifier and updater) to install all of its package updates on my 12.2 and 12.3 systems, and it hasn't dropped the ball. I don't need YaST for that job, and prefer the convenience of Apper where it doesn't require Authentication for me to update my system.

    As Jonathan_R suggested, "You should put some time and research in".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paspie View Post
    Complimentary apps such as Apper are a waste of time. If they don't work for everyone, don't install them by default. It's that simple.
    But it was YOU who said, Apper looks fine, and why not get rid of YaST!

    Apper/PackageKit was designed as cross-distribution tool from the start, that's an advantage and a disadvantage at the same time:
    Advantage: bigger userbase, it looks the same on all distributions, users (who come from other distros) are already familiar with it...
    Disadvantage: can't support all the details of the specific distribution because it has to use the lowest common denominators of all distros

    Where as YaST->Software Management was designed specificly for openSUSE (libzypp in particular), so it supports (nearly) everything that libzypp can do and PackageKit not like f.e. Package locks and Dependency conflict resolution.

    Isn't it great that you can choose among several tools for the same tasks, and use that one that best fits your needs/peculiarities?

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    On 2013-07-05 11:46, Paspie wrote:


    >That's exactly what I mean. Why do we have it when the stuff that ships
    > with YAST is already adequate. Are you getting it?


    Because one of the features of Linux is *choice*.

    We don't have one tool for each task, we have as many as we can. Why
    don't we have just one desktop only, ie, LXDE? That should suffice for
    everybody, it does everuthing we require. But wait, no, we also have
    XFCE, with more features and a larger memory footprint. Ah, yes, there
    is also Gnome. Oh, wait, there is also, whats its name... ah, KDE -
    they'd kill me if I forget that one. >:-)

    There is CHOICE.

    So, people like me use YaST. Or zypper, or even RPM! Some prefer apper,
    because it automatically installs updates without requiring the admin
    password.

    Choice.


    Besides, apper is not done by openSUSE, it is an external tool,
    cross-distro. openSUSE does just a few libraries to connect it with
    libzyp, and hooks in libzyp perhaps. Many distros have apper, why should
    we not have it?


    > Anyway, I've kinda run dry of ammunition, I am just eager to break new
    > mould rather than just evolution all the time.


    You want an app market? Go ahead, do it. There is freedom, anybody can
    do what he likes. Just do it, support it, and maybe people will flock to
    it. Or maybe not. :-)

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    Default Re: OpenSuse App Store/Market

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post

    [...]
    Because one of the features of Linux is *choice*.

    [...]
    I cannot agree more! This is why we have the greatest flame wars in the universe. And I must admit I like that.

    I prefer vi by the way .

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    On 2013-07-05 22:46, kalten wrote:
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    > robin_listas;2569596 Wrote:
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    >>
    >> [...]
    >> Because one of the features of Linux is *choice*.
    >>
    >> [...]

    >
    > I cannot agree more! This is why we have the greatest flame wars in the
    > universe. And I must admit I like that.
    >
    > I prefer vi by the way .


    ROTFL!

    me, Word Star :-p

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    Default Re: OpenSuse App Store/Market

    On 07/05/2013 10:46 PM, kalten wrote:
    > I prefer vi by the way.


    only a professional flame catcher would make such a statement!

    truly bright folks use mc, by the way!

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    Default Re: OpenSuse App Store/Market

    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    On 07/05/2013 10:46 PM, kalten wrote:
    > I prefer vi by the way.


    only a professional flame catcher would make such a statement!

    truly bright folks use mc, by the way!

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    Gee. I thought bright folks used Emacs.
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    On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 18:56:02 +0000, Jonathan R wrote:

    > Gee. I thought bright folks used Emacs.


    Nah, only people who love overly complex stuff. [scnr]

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    Default Re: OpenSuse App Store/Market

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On 2013-07-05 01:06, Paspie wrote:
    >
    > Just saw a few screenshots of Apper (not at the desktop currently),
    > looks pretty good from what I can see. So, can anyone fathom why it
    > isn't the only tool installed by default?


    Because it is a TERRIBLE tool. Many of us hate apper and remove it from
    our systems as soon as we can. >:-)

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    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.
    (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)
    Yeah Apper is quite sub par.
    I rather have something like Muon or Yumex
    And yes I am using Fedora right now, why do you ask?

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