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    Surely its more time and energy trying to maintain software.opensuse.org, the package manager repos, the yast app itself and apper. We should be able to get ourselves into a situation where we only need one tool to rule them all.

    In any case, Apper is not included with openSUSE (at least on my version) so would be useless for the beginner. There is not enough coherency between the various apps.

    Finally, I hope we're not becoming a recipe company like Apple is, trying to compile all the best 'stuff' from third parties and selling it off as their own. At least the Ubuntu and Linux Mint organisations have actually tried something new and innovative, regarding the Cinnamon and Unity environments (not that I'm a fan of Debian-based distros though).

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    Default Re: OpenSuse App Store/Market

    Quote Originally Posted by Paspie View Post
    In any case, Apper is not included with openSUSE (at least on my version) so would be useless for the beginner.
    It is included with openSUSE. The beginner needs a desktop environment. If KDE is installed, then Apper is installed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consused View Post
    It is included with openSUSE. The beginner needs a desktop environment. If KDE is installed, then Apper is installed.
    +1

    Apper is part of KDE and is installed by default.
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    Just saw a few screenshots of Apper (not at the desktop currently), looks pretty good from what I can see. So, can anyone fathom why it isn't the only tool installed by default? Why do we still have the YaST tools? No matter how good the tools are they are worthless if they are duplicated across the system. Why can't we take the best of both and bung them into one app? ATM it seems incredibly unprofessional to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paspie View Post
    Just saw a few screenshots of Apper (not at the desktop currently), looks pretty good from what I can see. So, can anyone fathom why it isn't the only tool installed by default? Why do we still have the YaST tools? No matter how good the tools are they are worthless if they are duplicated across the system. Why can't we take the best of both and bung them into one app? ATM it seems incredibly unprofessional to me.
    YaST isn't just to install software. That's but one module. There are many such modules that make up YaST. It seems to me, that you don't know or understand YaST. You should put some time and research in. Then if you still have questions, you can ask and they'll be a lot better suited.
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    I was referring to the software management app in YAST, not the rest of it.

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    On 2013-07-04 19:56, Paspie wrote:
    > In any case, Apper is not included with openSUSE (at least on my
    > version) so would be useless for the beginner.


    Apper is a KDE tool, and it is installed by default if you install KDE.
    If you install Gnome you get a simpler but similar tool.

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    On 2013-07-04 14:16, Paspie wrote:
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    > Yeah, but my point is we shouldn't have to remove features to make it
    > easier for beginners. Having separate applications seems like an
    > after-thought to me, and by combining the YAST Software Manager toolset
    > and say, the aesthetics and layout of the 'software center' type app, we
    > can remove fragmentation and make life easier for developers and package
    > managers.


    I do not like that idea at all, it would be a huge mistake.

    YaST should stay as it is, a very good, stable, feature rich, package
    manager. You can add a separate web tool to find the appropriate
    application for your need, and then trigger yast or apper or oneclick to
    do the actual installation. An extension of the OBS search frontend.


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    Default Re: OpenSuse App Store/Market

    On 2013-07-05 01:06, Paspie wrote:
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    > Just saw a few screenshots of Apper (not at the desktop currently),
    > looks pretty good from what I can see. So, can anyone fathom why it
    > isn't the only tool installed by default?


    Because it is a TERRIBLE tool. Many of us hate apper and remove it from
    our systems as soon as we can. >:-)

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    Default Re: OpenSuse App Store/Market

    Quote Originally Posted by Paspie View Post
    I was referring to the software management app in YAST, not the rest of it.
    YaST has an excellent software manager tool, there's no reason to replace it. If something like Apper can compliment it, that's fine. Once you understand how it works, you'll appreciate YaST much more. Apper is designed for simplicity, and loses many features in doing so.

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