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    Default Re: Will the Windows 8 mistakes cause Windows users to switch toLinux & openSuse?

    On Thu 16 Oct 2014 12:46:01 PM CDT, dragonbite wrote:


    rich1974;2669701 Wrote:
    > wrong....
    > windows is so popular mainly because of the very large apps ecosystem.
    > people use apps, OS is just a platform.
    > people wont switch to linux, it is much more easier, when you are
    > coming from wind XP, to learn to use wind 8.1 instead of any linux
    > distro.


    People don't "use Windows". They use applications X, Y and Z and if they
    happen to require Windows then they "run Windows". They aren't there
    debating the pro's and con's of choosing Windows or Apple or Linux
    unless it is something philosophically important and usually that they
    know somebody to help champion the change.

    My wife uses MS Publisher. It only runs on Windows.

    At the same time, she wishes she could have Shotwell on Windows because
    she likes, and is more familiar, with the interface from using the
    Desktop Linux before getting her laptop.

    She is a candidate to use Linux if the applications she uses were to
    work on Linux. Then again, she also has me advocating Linux too.

    The kids, however, use Linux most of the time except when running a game
    that hasn't worked on Linux yet (despite being a "Gold" status in Wine
    Db). If I get that game to run on our Linux box(es) then they wouldn't
    touch Windows except when they have to in school.

    I don't think there are any real "killer apps" that draw people to
    Android or iPhone yet, that is not available on other platforms. So a
    lot of the competition there is hardware-related (hardware capabilities,
    hardware-OS integration, etc.)


    Hi
    Have you looked at crossover for MS Publisher? Should try the trial
    version?

    I think the major shift aside from end user applications is the push to
    also make it an advertisement platform since it's a somewhat captive
    medium (at least with a TV, you can change channels or hit the mute).

    I need to setup wireshark and see how much crift comes down the wire I
    don't want...

    I feel sorry for the folks on limited bandwidth and data caps....

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    Default Re: Will the Windows 8 mistakes cause Windows users to switch toLinux & openSuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    On 2014-10-16 06:56:

    Yes, there is some sort of Linux beneath, but you can not actually use
    it. Most application depend heavily on the google layers on top of it,
    which most are not even open sourced.

    The "freedom" that is such an important part of Linux is not a part of
    Android.

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    Windows refugee wont mind or even bother with that most probably . That's why Android is going to be a hit on the desktop when it actually happen
    The only side effect is more hardware/software support for the linux distros.
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    Default Re: Will the Windows 8 mistakes cause Windows users to switch toLinux & openSuse?

    On 2014-10-16 16:56, jetchisel wrote:
    > robin_listas;Wrote:
    >> On 2014-10-16 06:56:
    >>
    >> Yes, there is some sort of Linux beneath, but you can not actually use
    >> it. Most application depend heavily on the google layers on top of it,
    >> which most are not even open sourced.
    >>
    >> The "freedom" that is such an important part of Linux is not a part of
    >> Android.


    > Windows refugee wont mind or even bother with that probably


    Very true.

    But those people that are interested initially on Android because "it is
    based in Linux" will be disappointed.

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    Default Re: Will the Windows 8 mistakes cause Windows users to switch toLinux & openSuse?

    >Very true.

    >But those people that are interested initially on Android because "it is
    >based in Linux" will be disappointed.

    Time will tell the whole story
    One can play with it's shell which is mksh you know...
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    Default Re: Will the Windows 8 mistakes cause Windows users to switch to Linux & openSuse?

    The man pages for mksh just in case some of you are interested

    Code:
    https://www.mirbsd.org/MirOS/dist/mir/mksh/mksh.pdf
    https://www.mirbsd.org/MirOS/dist/mir/mksh/mksh.pdf

    or the html version.

    Code:
    https://www.mirbsd.org/htman/i386/man1/mksh.htm
    https://www.mirbsd.org/htman/i386/man1/mksh.htm

    I have not played with it much though
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    Default Re: Will the Windows 8 mistakes cause Windows users to switch to Linux & openSuse?

    I am windows user for long time. It's true that windows 8 is not good as windows 7. However, you will get use to it when you use it often.
    If I plan to switch at Linux it will be because on security reason.

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    Default Re: Will the Windows 8 mistakes cause Windows users to switch toLinux & openSuse?

    On 2014-10-16 14:46, dragonbite wrote:

    > I don't think there are any real "killer apps" that draw people to
    > Android or iPhone yet, that is not available on other platforms.


    Yes, there are.

    It is not a single application, but a bunch of them, designed to work on
    hand-held mobile devices, with some extra hardware like gps and position
    sensors, camera, telephone...

    Things like maps and navigation, applications that take advantage of
    knowing the exact location plus internet. Think a gps tracker, for
    instance. A compass. A map of the stars that detects where you are
    looking and displays the correct view of the sky. Even commercials that
    know where you are, can have interest for some people.

    A calendar synced with all your devices. email on the street. An
    applications that warns you of rainfall is imminent. Or the weather
    report for your location.

    An application that tell you the cheapest gas station near your
    location. Or where to find a café.

    A translator from other languages. Take a photo of something and
    translate it.

    Dictate instead of write.

    Access your bank anywhere, make orders. Control gadgets on your home,
    perhaps your security cameras while away.


    Or applications for instant messaging anywhere; here WhatsApp is very
    popular, so much so that it caused important losses to phone companies:
    instead of paying 15 cents per SMS, we have unlimited number of
    messages, big as you can type, plus photos, audio, videos, etc. This
    particular App has convinced people I know personally to upgrade from a
    plain phone to an smartphone, sending lots of messages; people that
    haven't touched a computer in their life. Yes, I would call WhatsApp a
    killer app in Spain.

    And they are very simple to use. I don't know anything similar in Linux.
    In Windows I dunno, but I would never buy a Windows phone, LOL.

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    Default Re: Will the Windows 8 mistakes cause Windows users to switch to Linux & openSuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonbite View Post
    I don't think there are any real "killer apps" that draw people to Android or iPhone yet, that is not available on other platforms. So a lot of the competition there is hardware-related (hardware capabilities, hardware-OS integration, etc.)
    Hi
    'Killer' being the operative word here... smartphones by their design are killers, folks reply to facebook, taking a selfie, sending an sms etc whilst driving and some even while walking or running...
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    Default Re: Will the Windows 8 mistakes cause Windows users to switch toLinux & openSuse?

    On Sat, 23 May 2015 04:06:02 +0000, malcolmlewis wrote:

    > dragonbite;2669751 Wrote:
    >>
    >> I don't think there are any real "killer apps" that draw people to
    >> Android or iPhone yet, that is not available on other platforms. So a
    >> lot of the competition there is hardware-related (hardware
    >> capabilities,
    >> hardware-OS integration, etc.)

    > Hi 'Killer' being the operative word here... smartphones by their design
    > are killers, folks reply to facebook, taking a selfie, sending an sms
    > etc whilst driving and some even while walking or running...


    Multifactor authentication is something that could really become a
    serious killer app for mobile devices.

    Enter a set of user credentials, and after that authentication, use your
    phone as a second factor for authentication.

    That's a real thing - I use it every day myself (my employer makes a
    product that does just this, in fact).

    It's incredibly cool tech.

    Jim

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    Default Re: Will the Windows 8 mistakes cause Windows users to switch toLinux & openSuse?

    On 2015-05-23 08:39, Jim Henderson wrote:

    > Enter a set of user credentials, and after that authentication, use your
    > phone as a second factor for authentication.
    >
    > That's a real thing - I use it every day myself (my employer makes a
    > product that does just this, in fact).


    Some banks here use that for money transfer.
    I order a transfer using internet, maybe a phone app.
    The bank sends an SMS with a code to the registered phone.
    I type the code in the web page or app.
    The transfer proceeds.

    There are other things like NFC, but it has not yet taken off.

    As for IDs, they are talking of using full face recognition combined
    with other things (specially to make sure the subject is alive). No more
    need for passwords.

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