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    Default system freezes are destroying my hard drive, kernel version 3.0-3.4

    I've been trying to get my computer to stop freezing since the day I put it together. It doesn't freeze in windows vista, just linux, all distros. I'm tired of this.
    When I say a system freeze, I mean a complete freeze. Ctl-Alt-F1 doesn't work, my led's on keyboard don't work, if I was playing sound it loops over and over. I activated SysRq and none of the BUSIER mnemonic seem to do anything. I setup kdump, does nothing ( no files in /var/crash). I've used Suse Automatated Kernel Compile for kernels 3.0.36,3.2.18,3.3.7, and 3.4. None of the kernels keep it from freezing.

    I keep ksysguard open and always on top so I know how much memory I have left. Its always 1GB or less used and I have 4GB

    I suspected it being my sandy bridge processor, but since it works fine in windows vista, I can't see it being my hardware. Its got to be either the kernel, some module, something.
    I've suspected maybe my wireless card, but since it works fine in windows, I can't see it being the problem. (my wifi uses ath5k module) This is the same wireless card I used back when I was using opensuse 10.0 and it never caused a crash with that, even using madwifi. Obviously the card was in a different computer at the time.

    I've used Gnome 3, Gnome fallback,latest kde w/ w/o desktop effects. had freezes with all of them.

    So now I have the problem that I have too many bad sectors on my hard drive for linux to be happy so I had to go into disk utility and switch on the "Don't warn if disk is failing" box.

    I really like using linux, but its supposed to be more stable than windows, what gives.

    Please Help Me.
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    Default Re: system freezes are destroying my hard drive, kernel version 3.0-3.4

    On 2012-07-09 03:56, cw9000 wrote:
    > So now I have the problem that I have too many bad sectors on my hard
    > drive for linux to be happy so I had to go into disk utility and switch
    > on the "Don't warn if disk is failing" box.


    Lets concentrate on the disk, because one thing that can crash Linux is a
    failing disk. A crashing system can not cause bad sectors; corrupted
    filesystem, yes.

    Run the SMART long test. Ask if you don't know how.

    Is Windows using the same hard disk?

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    Default Re: system freezes are destroying my hard drive, kernel version 3.0-3.4

    yes windows is using the same hard disk. and no I don't know how to do SMART long test.

    EDIT: I ran
    Code:
    smartctl --test=long /dev/sda

    and it says it will take 203 minutes
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    Default Re: system freezes are destroying my hard drive, kernel version 3.0-3.4

    Quote Originally Posted by cw9000 View Post
    Intel i5-2500k 3.3Ghz Sandy Bridge
    I'm guessing that the video drivers are causing the freezing.

    I have similar graphics, and it is likely to freeze whenever the brightness of the screen is changed. I configure so that brightness changes are infrequent, and that keeps it running most of the time.
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    Default Re: system freezes are destroying my hard drive, kernel version 3.0-3.4

    I should mention how frequently it freezes. Usually it freezes within 1 day. 4 or 5 days tops. I can leave my windows vista forever and it won't freeze. I haven't noticed any freezing with brightness changes, but I have come to my computer after the monitor is turned off and it won't wake back up. Because that happened, I have
    Code:
    xset -dpms
    set in my .bash_profile
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    Default Re: system freezes are destroying my hard drive, kernel version 3.0-3.4

    cw9000 wrote:

    > system freezes are destroying my hard drive, kernel version 3.0-3.4


    > I've been trying to get my computer to stop freezing since the day I put
    > it together. It doesn't freeze in windows vista, just linux, all
    > distros. I'm tired of this.


    > So now I have the problem that I have too many bad sectors on my hard
    > drive for linux to be happy so I had to go into disk utility and switch
    > on the "Don't warn if disk is failing" box.


    You have this backward. As Carlos says, system crashes don't cause bad
    sectors. Bad sectors can cause system crashes. So you do need to run
    that long smart test that was suggested. And almost certainly, you will
    need to buy a new disk.

    Your system freezes may be connected with the faulty disk, or they may
    be connected with your video as nrickert suggests. That is, you may have
    either one or two faults.

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    Default Re: system freezes are destroying my hard drive, kernel version 3.0-3.4

    On 2012-07-09 05:06, cw9000 wrote:

    > EDIT: I ran
    >
    > Code:
    > --------------------
    > smartctl --test=long /dev/sda
    > --------------------
    >
    > and it says it will take 203 minutes


    Right. After that time, you need to issue "smartctl -A /dev/sda" to see the
    results. Post them here and will help interpreting.

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    Default Re: system freezes are destroying my hard drive, kernel version 3.0-3.4

    Quote Originally Posted by cw9000 View Post
    I should mention how frequently it freezes. Usually it freezes within 1 day. 4 or 5 days tops. I can leave my windows vista forever and it won't freeze. I haven't noticed any freezing with brightness changes, but I have come to my computer after the monitor is turned off and it won't wake back up.
    It is sounding more and more like a video problem.

    In your KDE power settings, set your computer to never dim the display. Turning off the display is usually not a problem, but dimming it after an idle time is.

    If I am leaving my laptop unattended for a long period, I shut it down to avoid the freeze problem.

    The good news - freezes seem less frequent in 12.2 (currently testing Beta2), though they still happen.
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    Default Re: system freezes are destroying my hard drive, kernel version 3.0-3.4

    okay here are the results of the long test:

    Code:
    smartctl -A /dev/sda
    Code:
    smartctl 5.42 2011-10-20 r3458 [i686-linux-3.1.10-1.16-desktop] (SUSE RPM)
    Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
    
    
    === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
    SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
    Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
    ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
      1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   114   099   006    Pre-fail  Always       -       72073454
      3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   095   095   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
      4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       354
      5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   093   093   036    Pre-fail  Always       -       296
      7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   076   060   030    Pre-fail  Always       -       46888432
      9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   092   092   000    Old_age   Always       -       7757
     10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
     12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       354
    183 Runtime_Bad_Block       0x0000   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
    184 End-to-End_Error        0x0032   100   100   099    Old_age   Always       -       0
    187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   093   000    Old_age   Always       -       507
    189 High_Fly_Writes         0x003a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   065   046   045    Old_age   Always       -       35 (Min/Max 35/40)
    194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   035   054   000    Old_age   Always       -       35 (0 20 0 0 0)
    195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x001a   029   018   000    Old_age   Always       -       72073454
    197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
    199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       202993039319436
    241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       3889810569
    242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       3378140532
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    Default Re: system freezes are destroying my hard drive, kernel version 3.0-3.4

    On 2012-07-09 20:16, cw9000 wrote:
    >
    > okay here are the results of the long test:



    Code:
    
    >   === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
    >   SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
    >   Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
    >   ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
    
    >   5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   093   093   036    Pre-fail  Always       -       296
    
    >   9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   092   092   000    Old_age   Always       -       7757

    Backup that disk and replace it as soon as you can. It has remapped 296
    sectors already. You have a margin of I don't know how many, but each
    sector that goes bad means lost data and a possible crash.

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