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Thread: Please don't kill Cinnamon!

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    Exclamation Please don't kill Cinnamon!

    @ketheriel, the maintainer of Cinnamon desktop environment in openSUSE, is going to abadon and remove it from the repo, due to some issues. It's a very sad news, while Cinnamon is getting more popular among users committed to GNOME 2. That's why I am asking if anybody of you could maintain Cinnamon for some time, so that it would stay alive? Or just make one version compatible with upcoming openSUSE 12.2? It would be great! Thanks a lot!

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    Default Re: Please don't kill Cinnamon!

    @ketheriel, please don't kill Cinnamon !
    Please see my post here: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/g...ml#post2472337

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    dd@home.dk NNTP User

    Default Re: Please don't kill Cinnamon!

    On 07/05/2012 03:26 AM, rugbygangster wrote:
    > That's why I am asking if anybody of you could
    > maintain Cinnamon for some time, so that it would stay alive?


    as far as i can tell it will still be 'alive'...just not packaged for
    openSUSE, and therefore not as easy to instal..

    but, as it is an open source project you should be free to download the
    source, compile and install it yourself..

    on the other hand if you wish easy installation then i think that also
    available on to Mint, and maybe other distros..

    "free software" among other things, means you have the freedom to choose
    which way you wanna go: easy or not..

    --
    dd

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    Quote Originally Posted by dd@home.dk View Post
    "free software" among other things, means you have the freedom to choose
    which way you wanna go: easy or not..
    This is not an argument. It's about keeping a package in the distro.... And Cinnamon is not just another simple program to compile.

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    dd@home.dk NNTP User

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    On 07/05/2012 10:26 AM, please try again wrote:
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    > This is not an argument.


    i didn't think it was and argument, and i was not arguing..

    just pointing out that Nelson deciding he can/will no longer package
    Cinnamon does not mean that decision will "kill Cinnamon!" (see subject)..

    it only means that Cinnamon will no longer be (YaST/zypper) easy to
    install _on_ openSUSE


    > It's about keeping a package in the
    > distro.... And Cinnamon is not just another simple program to compile.


    yes....no different than i already wrote and all have the option:

    not easy = run Cinnamon on openSUSE
    easy = run Cinnamon on Mint

    in neither case is Cinnamon is 'killed'...not even wounded...
    just no longer easy.

    --
    dd


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    Quote Originally Posted by dd@home.dk View Post
    On 07/05/2012 10:26 AM, please try again wrote:
    >
    > This is not an argument.


    just pointing out that Nelson deciding he can/will no longer package
    Cinnamon does not mean that decision will "kill Cinnamon!" (see subject)..
    It will at least for openSUSE if neither the package nor the source rpm is available in repos. The consequence is that users will either not use cinnamon in openSUSE or switch to Mint - which is of course a possibility but implies a bunch of other changes to your habits.

    Quote Originally Posted by dd@home.dk View Post

    it only means that Cinnamon will no longer be (YaST/zypper) easy to
    install _on_ openSUSE


    > It's about keeping a package in the
    > distro.... And Cinnamon is not just another simple program to compile.


    yes....no different than i already wrote and all have the option:
    The option maybe, but how many have the knowledge and the time to do that? I fully understand that Nelson doesn't feel like to fight with those stupid bugs anymore. And Cinnamon might end up killing itself too. That's why I suggested not touching it for now. If you withdraw the package - including the rpm source - from the repo, it will also become more difficult to build and install it "properly" - as I read that Fedora people don't want to do it either, and porting from Debian to openSUSE is a lot more work.

    To be more specific, you'll probably have to compile cinnamon anyway if you're using proprietary graphic drivers(I explained how in another thread). But since you can install the package and the rpm source (with a .spec file optimized for openSUSE), you don't need to be an expert. You just need to build it with rpmbuild, change the RPATH and overwrite the one installed with the package. Once you know how to do it, it's do-able - although I'm quite sure that end users won't necessarily enjoy compiling. If you don't use ATI or nvidia proprietary drivers, you should be fine. Thus it's not perfect but it's working now.

    Quote Originally Posted by dd@home.dk View Post
    not easy = run Cinnamon on openSUSE
    easy = run Cinnamon on Mint
    Yes. And I would definitely advise people to use Mint. But not everyone switchs distros like that. When was it the last time you used Mint, @dd? or even Debian?

    Quote Originally Posted by dd@home.dk View Post
    in neither case is Cinnamon is 'killed'...not even wounded...just no longer easy.
    Whenever I "vaporize" something (according to the terms Nelson chose), it usually doesn't survive.... and if it still moves, I just vaporize again. IMO "Don't kill Cinnamon!" was an appropriate and logical objection.

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    dd@home.dk NNTP User

    Default Re: Please don't kill Cinnamon!

    On 07/05/2012 02:16 PM, please try again wrote:
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    > When was it the last time you used Mint, @dd?


    used never...booted once..

    > or even Debian?


    within the last year i seriously considered moving to Debian...its
    ok...its GREAT, but i know a LOT more about here, and i am lazy...so...

    i wouldn't move to either just to avoid building from source...and, if
    Cinnamon proved too difficult, i'm sure i could find something i could
    live with from: KDE4, KDE3, GMOME2, LXDE, Xfce etc etc etc..

    i mean after years of Windows i moved to OS/2's Presentation Manager for
    years, and then years of Gnome, and then to KDE and after a while they
    are all ok..

    --
    dd


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    Default Re: Please don't kill Cinnamon!

    On 2012-07-05 14:16, please try again wrote:
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    > dd@home.dk;2472858 Wrote:
    >> On 07/05/2012 10:26 AM, please try again wrote:
    >>>
    >>> This is not an argument.

    >>
    >> just pointing out that Nelson deciding he can/will no longer package
    >> Cinnamon does not mean that decision will "kill Cinnamon!" (see
    >> subject)..
    >>

    >
    > It will at least for openSUSE if neither the package nor the source
    > rpm is available in repos. The consequence is that users will either not
    > use cinnamon in openSUSE or switch to Mint - which is of course a
    > possibility but implies a bunch of other changes to your habits.


    The wording of Nelson's post implies that it is very difficult to maintain
    the package for openSUSE. Maybe it needs a team, not one person. And
    upstream doesn't help, he says.

    --
    Cheers / Saludos,

    Carlos E. R.
    (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar)



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    Default Re: Please don't kill Cinnamon!

    Quote Originally Posted by robin_listas View Post
    The wording of Nelson's post implies that it is very difficult to maintain
    the package for openSUSE. Maybe it needs a team, not one person. And
    upstream doesn't help, he says.
    I suggested not touching it for a while but not removing it from the repo either. I explained why earlier (post #6)

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    On 2012-07-05 15:16, please try again wrote:

    > I suggested not touching it for a while but not removing it from the
    > repo either. I explained why earlier (post #6)


    Yes, removing it may be excessive - but I don't know what happens to a repo
    that does not build.

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    Carlos E. R.
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